Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

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Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby Sco4444 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:01 am

With recent Dr Scott presentation on Birkland Currents at EU2017 what are implications of this for Sun’s path around Galactic core? Prompts series of (general) questions but, due to the sheer size of the Galaxy, what we understand of Galactic dynamics is largely down to models and inference. ... tents.html. (Sun completes 1deg. of its primary cycle every half million years approx.). So how can we be sure data correct?

* Sun path arguably displays three cycles. Are there different aspects of Birkland currents (Primer field?)
that power the cycles by E-M action? ... (Dr
Scott lecture)
* Primary cycle: 226 – 240 million years. Rotating Cosmic Birkland current horizontal to Galactic plane?

a) How would this affect Galaxy arms? Is there any clear evidence of how many Arms or
rotation dynamics?
b) Do stars move independently of “arms”. Do Constellations move in sync with Sun
motion for full galactic rotation?
c) Do some sectors of Galaxy counter rotate in cylindrical manner, in opposition to Sun
motion? Do we have the technology to check for this?
d) Gaia data suggests Stellar motion is random rather than cylindrical. Require better
understanding of local stellar motion with regard to Sun motion. .

* Secondary cycle: 40 – 70 million years? Sub-rotation of Birkland current vertical to Cosmic Plane?

a) Sinusoidal motion – crossing Galactic Plane – “Declination” cycle superimposed on
primary cycle.
b) Amplitude may differ as with Planetary declination, affecting duration peak to peak.
c) Possible cause of Extinctions on Earth at Peaks (max/min) and Zero, when crossing
d) Possible cause of changes in Eccentricity (100k.yr) and Obliquity (40k.yr) cycles of
Sun/Earth (Milankovitch). Differential peaks affecting Ice ages, climate change etc:

* Tertiary cycle (Precession) 25,000 yr. Spiral at right angles to Secondary vertical cycle. ... nPaper.pdf
a) Luni-Solar theory of precession flawed – static Sun (see link for arguments).
b) Binary theory more accurate? – moving Sun. (external reference frame etc)
c) 25k.yr spiral could be result of Helical field motion at right angles to the Sun’s
vertical motion, rather than Binary interaction.
d) Long shot, Saturn was Sun’s twin then captured – but EM field remains. Or Stellar
duality result of birkland current sub-field.
e) Precession cycle coincides with Yuga Great Year - Apoapsis of Great Year
calculated as 1500 yrs ago, Kali Yuga period. Supposedly Human intelligence
increases as Sun rotates towards Galactic center. Precession helical spiral motion.

* Would monitoring cycles shed light on Birkland Current dynamics? Ideally need to simulate
Secondary and Tertiary cycle position with Eccentricity and Obliquity.
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Re: Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby Sco4444 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:02 am

Birkland Currents and Galactic Charge Field: Assuming that BC’s deliver power to Galaxy and appropriating Mathis theory of “charge” to object whether Galactic, Solar, Planetary or Atom. ( Charge enters at poles and exits at center line (Galactic Plane), imparting horizontal rotation (angular momentum) on the body and creating “charge field” disc approx. 30deg North and South of mid-line. This is replicated at Solar (helio-sphere) and planetary level, Moon declination cycle.

This mid-line “belt” creates “declination” phenomenon, vertical motion within horizontal rotation of disc, at all scales Stars, Planets and Moons oscillate N/S of respective mid-line. In Solar system example planets can fluctuate in peak amplitude i.e. Mars declination reaches maximum peaks every 7 to 10 years, although reason for variation is not clear. We would have to assume the same would be true of Sun amplitude fluctuations within “declination” cycle, affecting duration of North/South passage around the Galaxy. In this sense BC’s can account for Sun’s rotation and amplitude around Galaxy as well as Solar system dynamics.
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Re: Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby Sco4444 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:52 am

The point of this post although broad in scope has been to suggest that the current “static” Copernican Solar system view of our place in the Galaxy, distorts our frame of reference and understanding of localised events i.e space weather, catastrophes, ice ages etc.

In the 21st Century we need a more dynamic picture of how the Galaxy operates and interacts with our Solar system. How it is powered i.e. “BC’s” but also what the characteristics of BC’s are as they affect Galaxy’s Stars and planetary systems (Angular, Vertical and Spiral properties).

Precession may be best example of Spiral properties. The luni/solar theory was spawned before solar system motion understood. Cruttenden states “In a circular argument the static SS.. (Solar System).. model constrains geoscientists to explain all changes in earth orientation through local dynamics”. ... pg-web.pdf

He goes on to say. “Constrained by our frame of reference..( due to vastness of distance and time scales involved)... precession retrograde motion..(could be).. due to the orbit of our SS around another mass... be it the galactic center, local cluster, nearby star. Part of the precession observable may be attributed to the angular velocity of the SS as it curves through space (relative to the reference points) rather than 100 percent to local dynamics”.

The paradox of “the mathematical calculation of the motion of the earth around the sun in a tropical year (360 degrees relative to local objects) differs from observations of the earth’s motion relative to the fixed stars “outside” the moving frame of the solar system”.

“The moon confirms the earth does not appear to precess relative to local objects “inside” the solar system but does apparently precess at least 50"p/y relative to objects “outside” the solar system”.

This “paradox of conflicting measurements only exists in a static SS model where the frame of the SS cannot move relative to reference points outside the SS. The paradox goes away if we allow the solar system to move”.

Perhaps we should also take a closer look at the Milankovitch cycles of Eccentricity and Obliquity as they seem poorly understood and at best generated from Vostok ice core samples. Current data is questionable due to the shear magnitude of time scale 100K.yr± and lack of observable data, simulations of millions of years being constructed on limited historical observable orbital information.
Laskar, J., Fienga, A., Gastineau, M., Manche, H.: 2011, La2010: A new orbital solution for the long-term motion of the Earth. Astron. Astrophys., Volume 532, A89

The simulations make no attempt to account for galactic interaction of SS with other local stellar bodies or density changes in space that may distort orbit. Hopefully this information should become increasingly accessible given Gaia mission data.
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Re: Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby Sco4444 » Tue May 15, 2018 2:50 am

New Gaia data has identified Streams and Structures within the Milkyway that counter rotate to Our Sun's rotation. The streams have been classified as S1. No papers available on this from ESA/Gaia as yet but discussed on BBC Sky at Night program: ... revolution at 12:0 mins.
Interesting in light of Don Scott Birkland Current counter rotating sub structure lecture.
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Re: Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby johnm33 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:39 am

I'm thinking it's moving rather like in this animation
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Re: Galactic Birkeland Currents and the Sun's Motion

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Sat May 19, 2018 9:29 am

Its my understanding Precession of the equinox does not apply to the era before 747 BC
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