Vortices are the Pressure Relief Valves of the Atmosphere

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Vortices are the Pressure Relief Valves of the Atmosphere

Unread postby jimmcginn » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:14 pm

Vortices are the Pressure Relief Valves of the Atmosphere
by James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes

https://principia-scientific.org/does-g ... ment-20478
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Alan Thorpe:
Is this really correct? Winds are determined by pressure and they go from high pressure to low pressure. Warm air rises causing low pressure, so winds go from cold to hot.

You ask a good question and I’m the right person to answer it. I am the #1 expert in the world on the question surrounding atmospheric flow and storms.

In general this article by Floor Anthoni (is this a real name?) is highly accurate. For example the points entitled “Important Points” is spot on! The high heat capacity of the liquid water in the oceans, on land, and in the air (note: all of the H2O in the atmosphere is liquid vapor H2O, not gaseous H2O) provides the temperature moderation function on our planet.

But the author also harbors many of the misconceptions that have been promoted by the pseudoscientific institution of meteorology. (Meteorology is a conversational science that evolved along the lines of telling the public stories that fit anecdotal observations. It is not an empirical science.)

Are winds determined by pressure differentials. Well, yes and no. Obviously its not simply a matter of pressure differential causing winds. Because if it was this simple there would be no gusty winds and no highly focused streams, like jet streams. Instead there would be only droll, constant winds. So, what causes the gusty, focused winds? The answer is vortices.

Vortices are the pressure relief valves of the atmosphere. You see, without vortices differences of pressure would be much greater on this planet due to the fact that gases alone cannot stream. Streaming requires structure to isolate the flow of the stream from the natural friction and dispersion associated with the gases. Sheaths of vortices literally spin up on wind shear boundaries in the atmosphere. In other words, when you see a tornado you are seeing something that is more than just N2, O2, H2O and trace elements. The “more” you are seeing is a consequence of H2O nanodroplets spinning up on wind shear boundaries. Specifically, the surface tension of the H2O is maximized under wind shear conditions to produce a plasma of surface-tension-maximized H2O. And it is this plasma that forms the sheaths of vortices, including tornadoes. This plasma isolates the flow and provides a slick inner surface, allowing winds to accelerate up to 300 mph.

Meteorology is replete with all kinds of pseudoscientific notions intended to placate the public by appealing to the lowest common denominator of our anecdotal perceptions. It is a conversation. It is not real science. The diatribe of conversational BS that emanates from their collective orifices should be ignored. They are not seeking empirical truth they are seeking a consensus to drown out the observations that they have systematically failed to explain.

Vortices are not simple or obvious. Us humans usually only notice vortices when they are in their last stage of existence, under low pressure conditions of a storm. At this stage it is the residual momentum of the greater vortices that is causing the storm and gusty, low pressure winds. It is this momentum of vortices that throws off our perception. Anecdotally it seems as if vortices are a residual consequence of what ever is the larger cause of storms. But, in actuality, vortices are the cause of storms and their low pressure gusty winds.

“Warm air rises causing low pressure, so winds go from cold to hot.”

No. This is nonsense. Convection is meteorological pseudoscience. Warmer air is usually wetter air. And wetter air is ALWAYS heavier (not lighter) than drier air. (So, the only place warm air rises is in deserts.) (This is because wetter air contains more nanodroplets of liquid H2O. There is zero gaseous H2O in earth’s atmosphere. Only idiots believe this propaganda.)

Vortices high in the troposphere produce 99 percent of the uplift that is witnessed on this planet and in storms. Convection is almost completely nonoperational in earth’s atmosphere. Ignore meteorologists. They are brain-dead propagandists–scientifically incompetent.

Trust me, I am the #1 expert on atmospheric flow and storms. Meteorologists are just pretenders whose only goal is to overwhelm you with vague, meaningless rhetoric.
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes

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jerry krause:
Alan, what you overlook is that the vertical convection of a thunderstorm creates a high pressure region at high altitude over the low pressure region at the surface of the tropics. And that the colder surfaces at the higher latitudes create high pressure regions at the earth’s land surface, so there is the generally surface atmospheric flow from the high pressure regions at higher latitudes toward the tropics. So at high altitude the atmospheric flow is from high pressure regions to low pressure regions and the same is true for the surface atmosphere flow.
What commonly overlooked is that above low pressure at the surface is high pressure near the top of the troposphere or vice versa.

So, Floor’s post alerts us to “climate often works contrary to intuition” if we do not observe everything which we should.

James McGinn
Jerry, your explanaion is nonsense. The uplift in thunderstorms is caused by the low pressure that is being introduced by vortices above that are channeling the low pressure energy of the jet stream. Convection does not (and cannot) cause low pressure at lower altitudes. This is a desperately silly thing to believe. You are just spreading the propaganda produced by the meteorology lobby.

What commonly overlooked is that above low pressure at the surface is high pressure near the top of the troposphere or vice versa.

Surreal. You are just making this up. You have no clue, Jerry.

So, Floor’s post alerts us to “climate often works contrary to intuition” if we do not observe everything which we should.

No, Jerry. You are just demonstrating that you are gullible and foolish. Storms are counterintuitive because we don’t understand the full lifecycle of a vortices and, therefore, we don’t realize that we only observe the final stage of a vortices existence, which often occurs closer to the ground.

Convective notions of storms are cartoons, the basis of which is an analogy to a pot boiling on a stove. Science involves empirical facts not unrestrained imagination and convenient analogies.

Why Storms are Wet.

Alan Thorpe:
What about the theory of a cold front? This is warm air rising over cold air and the moisture in the warm air condensing as it rises, bringing rain.

LOL. This isn’t a theory. Meteorologists don’t do theory. They just make conversational conjectures based on vague notions that they’ve never measured or tested.

Remember, meteorology is not a real science. It is not empirical. It is conversational. They are story tellers, artists. They are not scientists. They don’t measure or test any of this.

My model explains the physics of HEAVIER warm, moist air rising, cooling (due to lower pressure) and causing rain. I already explained this to you in the previous post. Read it again. Vortices connected to the greater jet stream cause low pressure above and this causes uplift of HEAVIER moist air to rise and cool as its pressure drops.

Vortices grow into flat boundaries between moist air and dry air. Sometimes, when the boundary extends all the way to the ground the vortices will grow down along the boundary to the ground, causing a tornado.

Convection is a dull-witted model that fails to explain the existence of vortices. Convection models of storms and atmospheric flow appeal to the lowest common denominator of brain-dead science consumers. People believe it because people are generally stupid and gullible and will believe anything that doesn’t make them think.

Besides, one has to about be retarded to believe that warm air rising will cause the high energy, gusty cold winds of storms. The fact that this absurd notion is so widely believed shows how plainly gullible and dumb is the public.

It’s Not What You Know That Will Hurt You . . .
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
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