Confusion about electricity

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Confusion about electricity

Unread post by InnerSpace » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:39 am

Most high school kids get confused about electrons and electricity. They are told that an electric current is the movement of -ly charged electrons from the +ly charged side of a power source towards its -ve side. But then the problem is that the electrons are heading towards a -ve charge when they should be repelled by it. The story then becomes that the +ve to -ve story is only a convention, and the electrons really move from the -ve to the +ve terminal of the power source. However, to make the signage of the circuit calculations work out properly, they should consider it to be a +ve charge moving from +ve to -ve.

I gather that not a lot has changed: students are still being bombarded with conflicting concepts and made to feel stupid when there is more than a slight possibility that they are not.

Is it possible that the +ve to -ve and the -ve to +ve approaches are both correct - thus giving the kids and their teachers a way out? Could an electric current consist of electrons moving one way and positrons to the other? If this is true it would explain a lot about how and why resistors, solenoids and capacitors (see diagram below) work, how chemical batteries and their re-charge work, and magnetic induced currents (and vice versa) work. And it would explain why there is so much confusion.

Read about this re-think of electric currents at https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iySOy ... DC_TpTBaAf.

It just goes to show how some of the basic concepts of Physics can and should be challenged. And if you have ever felt that you were made to feel stupid by a teacher or professor, there may be hope of redemption (albeit false).
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Re: Confusion about electricity

Unread post by D_Archer » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:16 am

It is not about electrons.

The real charge should be followed, and charge is sub-infrared photons. Real little particles that are recycled by all matter. Charge separation is merely creating a high and a low in charge density (ie the number of photons that are recycled in a given area). The real movement is from areas of higher charge to low charge (a matter of entropy). Electrons are just along for the ride.

This immediately explain how wireless electricity is possible since the charge is everywhere around ( a sea of photons).

Getting to know what charge physically is will solve all conundrums that are found when electrons are confused for electricity.

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Re: Confusion about electricity

Unread post by InnerSpace » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:03 pm

It is not about electrons
I agree: it is about electrons and positrons. The paper puts forward the proposition that when aligned by an electric potential and in close proximity to each other such as in a wire conductor, the spiral spin of their electromagnetic energy shuffles them screw-like or worm-like fashion past each other to create a current and cause electrons to concentrate to one end (the -ve) side of a circuit and positrons to the other.
wireless electricity'
Your reference to 'wireless electricity' is more related to EMR, and micro and radio wave transmission in particular. Thus I would suggest that you read part 2 of the E2M series found at https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BZpjy ... tqqZdMZfbt. It addresses micro and radio wave transmission, and would explain how energy is transferred for wireless electricity systems.
sub-infrared photons
Infrared photons are simply photons that form infrared radiation within the EMR spectrum. Have no idea of what ' sub-infrared photons' are or why they might exist in matter to push electrons around or to give them a free 'ride'. The existence of electrons and positrons has been experimentally confirmed and they do not need any other enablers to create an electric current. Perhaps you should start another topic to expand the concept out.

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Re: Confusion about electricity

Unread post by jacmac » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:04 pm

InnerSpace:
Most high school kids get confused about electrons and electricity. They are told that an electric current is the movement of -ly charged electrons from the +ly charged side of a power source towards its -ve side. But then the problem is that the electrons are heading towards a -ve charge when they should be repelled by it. The story then becomes that the +ve to -ve story is only a convention, and the electrons really move from the -ve to the +ve terminal of the power source. However, to make the signage of the circuit calculations work out properly, they should consider it to be a +ve charge moving from +ve to -ve.
I am not familiar with your terms or symbols -ly, +ly, -ve, or +ve.
The current convention that I find confusing is that current direction is the direction of the Protons(positive charges)
even if the electrons(negative charges) do most or all of the moving.
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Re: Confusion about electricity

Unread post by InnerSpace » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:18 pm

Hi Jack
Sorry about my lazy abbreviations of '-vly' for negatively and '+vly' for negatively, and so on.

The current convention as used for commercial electrical products and household circuitry is that current moves from a positive (or active) to a negative (or return). For DC currents the convention is that electrons (negatively charged) move from positive to negative terminal - hence the repulsion problem with electrons moving to a negative charge. To overcome this current is reversed (i.e. electrons from negative to positive) or ,to make the charge signage be consistent for current/voltage calculations, the current is considered to be a positive charge moving positive to negative. However the hypothetical positive charge is not referred to as a positron because conventional Physics makes no provision for positrons within matter, let alone to be involved in electrical currents.

Rather than being a negative point charge, E2M contends that electrons consist of torus shaped concentration of energy that presents with electromagnetic dipoles (i.e. having an electric and a magnetic dipole) being created by an external electromagnetic atmosphere that spirals from a magnetic North to South Pole. Positrons are considered to be almost identical, but with an electromagnetic atmosphere that swirls in the opposite direction: the analogy being between left and right hand screw threads. They thus have opposite chirality.

When their North-South axes are (slightly) aligned (either by an external electric potential, an external magnetic field or due to concentrations of electric charge), their chirality (or left/right thread nature) causes them to worm past each other in opposite direction: hence an electric current flows. This concept is a lot different and a lot more balanced than for point-charge electrons moving in one direction: I also think that it is much more logical as well.

Have another closer read of the article and remember, there are 3 linked articles: the section on micro and radio wave transmission (in part 2) and about proton and neutron structure and conversion (part 3) are also quite interesting.

I hope that this clears things up for you. Good luck.

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