Relativity vs. Aether Theory

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Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:40 am

Did Relativity ever have a place in the Electric Universe or is it time to “restore” Aether Theory?

A Ridiculously Brief History of Electricity and Magnetism
http://maxwell.byu.edu/~spencerr/phys442/node4.html

Aether Theory
http://www.anti-relativity.com/aether.htm
“The one person I believe to have come the closest to truly understanding the electromagnetic universe was Nikola Tesla.”

The Detection of Ether
http://www.teslaphysics.com

Dark Energy – Tesla’s “Black Box”
http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/ ... energy.php

Tesla’s Radiant (Dark) Energy System
http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/ ... system.php

Who had more “hands on” experience” with electricity? Tesla or Einstein?

Tesla’s Patents
http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/ ... nts-US.php

Einstein’s Patents
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~o-pat/english2.htm
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:44 am

iTS THE AETHER, YEAH BABY YEAH!
(best austin powers I can pull off, LOL)
But seriously your correct.
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:57 am

A 1996 Batmobile? Not Tesla's electric car?

http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/ ... r-1931.php
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:05 am

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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby Solar » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:55 am

The aether wins.
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby StefanR » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:48 am

I thought relativity might have it's application when V=C , but that an aether can contain all V's (as in V<C / V>C)?
So relativity can describe some subset, but is not valid for all that takes place inside the Cosmos.
Still confused.
Think I will just put my head in the wind to clear up my thoughts. ;)
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby Solar » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:10 am

StefanR wrote:I thought relativity might have it's application when V=C , but that an aether can contain all V's (as in V<C / V>C)?
So relativity can describe some subset, but is not valid for all that takes place inside the Cosmos.


Seems you've basically summed it up actually.
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:08 pm

lizzie wrote:A 1996 Batmobile? Not Tesla's electric car?

http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/ ... r-1931.php

I may make it electric.
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:55 pm

Just what is ether anyway?

What is the Electromagnetic Spectrum
http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Tel ... ctrum.html

It's all about waves. A wave is a disturbance traveling through space, transferring energy from one point to the next without permanently changing space itself.

What is in Space?
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/project ... hatis.html

“Most of the universe is empty space, called a vacuum, but it is an imperfect vacuum.”

What is a Vacuum?
http://education.jlab.org/qa/vacuum_02.html

“A vacuum, to us, is a space with no matter in it. As a practical matter though, it's really a space with very little matter in it.”

Vacuum Energy Density, or How Can Nothing Weigh Something?
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_constant.html

The Elastic Continuum Theory
http://www.geocities.com/gssandhu_1943/index.html

What is Aether?

The Vacuum as Aether in the Last Century
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k6132771j3510809/

Classic Aether vs. the Modern Vacuum
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=187117

“We know now that the "medium" of the aether is non-existent. But is it really? Maybe it isn't a gaseous fluid such as early thinkers thought, but is it any less real?

Space, The Aether, and Nothingness
http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_top ... 00324.html

“Electromagnetic fields should not appear as ultimate, irreducible
realities.”

The Aether is the Universe
http://www.siddeutsch.org/essay8.html

“The ether has what corresponds to density (it is called permeability) and elasticity (which is the reciprocal of permittivity). The same equation used for sound velocity yields the EMF velocity in any medium, including a vacuum.”

Aether and Dogmatic Thinking
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspa ... gmatic.htm

“Light propagates through vacuum, thus what appears as vacuum, the whole cosmic space must be full of Aether from apparent vacuum to "material substances" such as glass or air, through which light propagates as well. Mechanistic view suggests that Aether should present resistance to movements of stellar bodies, but no such effect has been observed and they keep on moving undisturbed through interstellar space.”

Ether Physics and Philosophy
http://www.evert.de/ap04e.htm

Unique theory assuming ether to be real substance and real plasma-continuum

“Ether is unique real existing matter. All ether of universe is in steady swinging Universal Ethermovement at quant-small spiralic tracks.”

Mathematical Model of Quasielastic Ether
http://ethertheory.chat.ru/epart5.htm

“Now let us imagine a ‘quasi-elastic’ body, which is unreceptive to compression-tensile strains, but reacts to torsional strain relative to absolute space.”

Foamy Ether
http://www3.telus.net/foamyether/#The_Big_Bang

“The new ether model, proposed in this article, replaces the vacuum of empty space with foamy ether. Conventional atomic particles (whatever they are) are replaced with distortions in the foamy ether. Now this is the key difference! There is no matter in ether - but rather, matter is ether and so is space.”
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:49 pm

The Dynamic Ether Vortex
http://www.softcom.net/users/greebo/vortex.htm

The Quantum Vortex Theory of Matter
http://www.astrosciences.info/QV.htm
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:58 pm

Towards a New Electromagnetism
http://www.cheniere.org/books/part3/4vectors.htm

"Conceptually (and from a systems viewpoint), the four types of vectors are (1) the chargeless, massless spatial system vector (geometer's vector), (2) the uncharged mass system vector (mechanic's vector), (3) the charged mass system vector (electrician's vector), and (4) the charged space system vector (advanced electrician's vector)."
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby StevenO » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:35 pm

All forces in the universe apply through matter, so my opinion is we don't need an aether to model it.

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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby lizzie » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:55 am

"All forces in the universe apply through matter"

Perhaps there is no difference between ether and matter. Do you think one could be the expression of the other? Or is ether the medium through which matter is expressed?
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby Heftruck » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:04 am

Why do we need an aether, if I may be so free to ask? :?:
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Re: Relativity vs. Aether Theory

Unread postby StevenO » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:21 pm

Heftruck wrote:Why do we need an aether, if I may be so free to ask? :?:


Normally an elastic medium is needed to propagate waves, e.g. sound only propagates through air, not in a vacuum. The idea is that ether is needed to propagate electromagnetic waves.
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