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Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestream

Unread post by FS3 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:21 am

They did it again!

Not only that astrogurus don't seem to understand this - usual phenomenon - they come up with even more phantastic, new explanations, every time they observe the same...

From SpaceCom: Doomed White Dwarf Stars to Spawn Supernova in Colossal Crash
...The newly discovered pair of orbiting white dwarfs was first spotted by astronomers studying a planetary nebula called Henize 2-428, using ESO's Very Large Telescope.

The astronomers were initially studying Henize 2-428 because it is asymmetric, and scientists don't fully understand why some nebulae are oddly shaped...
This nebula is neither "oddly shaped" nor "asymetric". Problem although is that you have to comprehend the real physics behind planetary nebulas. We should recognize the usual pinching of the current, causing in its focus all kinds of electrodynamical effects, e.g. resonant or oscillating circuits:

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The orbit of the alleged "two stars" is derived from the observation of the (regularly) flickering emissions and both the calculative deduction of their alleged masses - plus their ad hoc made up "separation"- derived again from the observation of the effect. Then you take whatever toy blocks you have at hands to "explain" the observation. In this case those toy blocks are "white dwarfs".

Case closed, astrophysics one step further away from reality again.

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Re: Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestr

Unread post by Metryq » Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:44 am

I always love that phrase "don't fully understand." How about "haven't a clue and don't understand at all"? Either you understand something, or you don't. There's no gradient. This pretense of "partially" understanding some phenomenon is purely to save face.

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Re: Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestr

Unread post by ElecGeekMom » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:59 pm

I keep finding myself reaching the conclusion that they are just playing a cat-and-mouse game.

After all, if they openly acknowledged the electric nature of things, that would be bad for their job security. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestr

Unread post by kiwi » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:38 pm

RE-post ... lest we forget, :idea:

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The surface of Earth is shielded from the direct effects of this activity by our planet's magnetic field, but airless objects without strong repelling magnetic fields, like small asteroids, have no protection from electrical activity in space.

Zimmerman and his team plan to apply the model to see if the electrical activity around asteroids presents any potential hazards to human explorers.

"For example, understanding the electrical environment around an asteroid could help identify locations where astronauts can safely make first contact with the object," said co-author William Farrell of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "If an astronaut is tethered to a spacecraft that is in sunlight and positively charged, and touches a negatively charged asteroid surface in shadow, there could be an unexpected current flow between the two systems upon contact. We simply can't speculate on the nature of that current without this model."

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/new ... OJvwPmUetp



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Re: Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestr

Unread post by Metryq » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:56 pm

kiwi wrote:RE-post ... lest we forget, :idea:
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/new ... OJvwPmUetp
Thanks for the link. It's good that a study is being made. However, does NASA acknowledge an electric current in space, or only on the surface of unprotected bodies, like the Moon?

On a side note, I suppose manned missions to asteroids will be made eventually—when manned missions have nothing better to do. Otherwise, this sort of thing should be delegated to robots. The robots will need to know where it is safe to land, too.

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Nebula Henize 2-428 focus is on 2 center binary stars out of

Unread post by quantauniverse » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:28 pm

For those interested in the story, there's a cool gif animation that I made from the video, showing the binary stars merging into a supernova event. The nebula has millions of stars, but at their imaginary center they found a binary star system in a 4 day orbit. From this alone, they create hysteria about a first time discovery of a type Ia supernova event that will happen in 700 million more years. Type Ia theory creates standard candles and was awarded a Nobel prize.
http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com/2 ... laims.html

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Re: Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428 not understood by Lamestr

Unread post by kiwi » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:20 pm

Metryq wrote:
kiwi wrote:RE-post ... lest we forget, :idea:
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/new ... OJvwPmUetp
Thanks for the link. It's good that a study is being made. However, does NASA acknowledge an electric current in space, or only on the surface of unprotected bodies, like the Moon?

On a side note, I suppose manned missions to asteroids will be made eventually—when manned missions have nothing better to do. Otherwise, this sort of thing should be delegated to robots. The robots will need to know where it is safe to land, too.
Here is Tbolts Space News from last July regards it :arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrYaM9Q ... djJd48t6IY

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Planetary Nebular Henize 2-428: Additional Thoughts

Unread post by FS3 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:41 pm

In another thread at SPHERE telescope disproves existence of binary star systems the assumption of binaries is questioned.

Although, while most of those systems that can be examined directly and give raise to the thesis that multiple star systems are the rule rather than the exception, the case may be situated differently if a binary is concluded by analyzing the light curve alone -- allegedly caused by occultation of stars orbiting each other.

Here's the paper: http://www.eso.org/public/archives/rele ... o1505a.pdf

1) First the periodic light curves at the target are measured:
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Light curves of Henize 2-428 in the Johnson B-band and Sloan i-band filters (0.44 µm and 0.78 µm, respectively) and model, along with their respective residuals…
2) Then the time evolution of a spectrum profile is examined:
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The double He ii 541.2 nm absorption lines show clear Doppler shifts in the VLT spectra…
3) Finally radial-velocity measurements and orbit solutions are deducted from the data.
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Radial-velocity curves of the central stars of Henize 2-428 obtained with GTC/OSIRIS on 11 August 2013, and the model, along with their respective residuals…
The observation: The light source at Henize 2-428 is flickering periodically.

The mindset: Two objects must oscure each other. We have speed and changing spectra, doppler - so we can calculate the masses, brightness and the alleged orbits of the hypothetical objects and their orbital velocities...

At least we forget: A resonant circuit might be invitable in the focus of a galactic discharge of those dimensions. Inductive and resitant forces may cause periodic flickering in the pinch as well as doppler shifts, etc...

Just connecting the dots...

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They did it again: Planetary "Butterflies" everywhere?

Unread post by FS3 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:27 pm

The SPHERE instrument of the VLT has found a new case of "earliest stages of planetary nebula formation". So to say, something envisioned, similar to a "cocoon" - from where weird ideas and even weirder phantasies will emerge from...

A Celestial Butterfly Emerges from its Dusty Cocoon

The observations of the red giant star L2 Puppis -- about 200 light-years away from Earth -- by means of the newly installed SPHERE (in ZIMPOL mode) instrument, showed a close companion who is thought to be "responsible" for the symetrical shape of this planetary nebula.

They got a new toy -- but they make the same, ol' mistakes.

Onby two images from that "butterfly"...

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...that could be explained more easily -- if you have learnt real physics -- by the typical Pinch Effect of a current bearing plasma envelope focussing in the central star.

Not neccessarily "butterflies", but lots of pinching double lobes everywhere...

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