DangerousDann wrote:Metryq wrote:Earth's atmosphere isn't a sealed bottle, DD.
LOL! Then why isn't our atmosphere flying out into space? Why isn't the radiation from the sun killing us quickly? Cmon, really, I get that response from people who believe the earth is flat, and the moon landing was faked. Climate tipping points are coming, jet streams are weakening, the ocean is acidifying and warming, weather is becoming more intense. As soon as the ocean comes into equilibrium with the "new norm" of over 400 ppm, not seen for over a million years (some cores point to dozens of millions), the planet will be at least 2 C warmer, probably hotter. What skeptics try to push as "normal" isolated weather events will become global events and cost far more in the global economy than any profit being made by insurance companies ( who BTW are changing policy in response to climate) and new clean energy technology might dream of making. This is happening now. I feel for the families who already lost their homes to drought near the equator. Desertification and flash flooding causing displacement. Millions of acres of forest lost each year to drought ridden forests, breaking all previous records. I can't ignore that. Doing nothing, hiding behind a new cosmology, denying pure data in real time , is shameful. I'm pretty sure the economic and social price for ignoring the people who invented the phones we are typing on, will become astronomical in my life time, and planetary instability will result from lack for food and water , in my life time. Maybe its harder to care and do something, but I intend to do what I can. Yes, I have changed my life, and given up lots of comforts in hopes of , in some way helping those less fortunate and suffering.
Hey Dan.
First up, thank you for dropping by and giving your views - that is appreciated even if most of us think it is all a load of dingoes kidneys - and this is why I think that CO2 is not a forcing factor, although I will definitely grant you the pollution problem.
To begin with then, let's talk a little bit about what CO2 is, what it does and what it does not do. As you are doubtless well aware CO2 is basically Plant Food in conjunction with Photosynthesis and I distinctly recall my Physics master teaching us back in the 1970's that the planetary CO2 levels were actually on the dangerously low side. Even NASA & the ESA have put out articles stating that green plant coverage is well up in the last few decades. This cannot be anything but good news.
See these:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36130346
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2- ... erfor-now/ (although admittedly they revert back to "Project Fear" again later in the article).
Next let us talk about what you mention - Storms, weather etc.
Now if this is all CO2 and anthropogenic in nature then why has every body in our solar system been heating up in the same way - must be all the SUV driving Aliens out there, or else their spaceships emit too much CO2 (sorry, could not resist that jab). ALL planets have had increases in storm energy, from Venus out all the way to Neptune/Uranus including Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus, etc almost ad nauseam - all the way out to little old Pluto!!! Best still none of these could be considered as "fringe" sources either.
See these (and this took all of 30 seconds to find)
https://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-bl ... orlds.html
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/new ... rming.html
http://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto
https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402 ... 402-7.html
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... rming-too/
So let's forget all about CO2 as it has little to do with it, and we find in reality that CO2 levels follow the temperature rises, not the other way around.
Storm energy gets hyped up considerably by the GCR flux - Galactic Cosmic Rays, and as oour star goes into what is almost certainly going to be a Maunder Minimum this will have the effect of a massive increase in GCR penetration as there are several factors combining here, none of them human caused, none of them are even remotely "fixable" as nothing is broken.
1 - The sun is going into a grand minimum. This means that the solar wind will no longer be as much protection as it used to be.
2 - Our planetary magnetic field is pole shifting, and it is happening now. In the 1800's the field was dropping by 5% per century, and this has now accelerated to
5% per decade and still accelerating. As the poles move places the field strength drops so we are even more susceptible to GCR influx - this was up by around 19% in the last article I read - see the following articles:
https://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/201 ... xt-minimum
https://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic ... vanced.htm
https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.07427
The latter one says things are even worse:
We describe the monitor and present measurements which show a gradual 40% increase in count rate coinciding with the declining phase of the solar cycle.
This means increased levels of ionising radiation penetrating into the atmosphere, and this is not good at all.
3 - We are currently in uncharted territory in the Milky Way as well - the system is currently moving out of a protective dust cloud into a "bubble" region of clear space, so there goes yet another defence against GCR.
You say that "climate tipping points are coming" and I am sorry but I have been hearing this since the 1980's, shortly after all climate scientists were banging on about a new Ice Age coming. It's like Fusion power - something that is always just around the corner, kinda like "peak Oil" (which also never happened either - when I was in school we were being taught that Oil would run out by now and prices would be sky high - yeah, right.
Whilst we are on the subject of Oil, it is not a fossil fuel. That was an invention way back in the 1930's when it was called a fossil fuel by the new Oil companies purely to keep prices high - supply & demand, and if it was a fossil fuel than supply is limited but if it is Abiotic & created by the planet itself then there is no scarcity so it had to become a fossil fuel to keep prices high. It seems Oil is nowhere near running out, old field that had run dry are producing again in the USA, the Middle East - hell, everywhere you look. We are pumping more & more out of the ground than ever before - Saudi reserves must have been ten times higher than estimated ad we see this pattern all around the globe.
I also take great issue with the supposed "average temperatures" and the monthly NOAA graphs are so doctored it is just not even funny. Take a proper look at the data each month - it is a total scam.
Take a long, hard look at this article:
https://realclimatescience.com/noaa-us- ... ure-fraud/
Anthropogenic Global Warming is the ultimate con and a tax on the air you breathe, no more no less. Yes things are shifting but NOT because of CO2 levels - CO2 levels were ten times higher in the Jurassic and we did not burn up then any more than we will now.
Let's have a little think here - the statement is that we have to make sacrifices or else we will all burn up.
That is a religious statement - we are not burning up.
Even if I could accept it is actually possible to get a genuine planetary average, this would require thermometers & stations in many, many more places than exist now. Also remember that the biggest problem we face is not CO2 - it is overpopulation. We need to get rid of perhaps as much as 3/4 of the worlds population to get pollution under control (Asia & India are the biggest contributors in both counts and none of these so called climate agreements restricted China & India, and the Chinese are about to set up hunderds of thousands of cloud seeding stations to deliberately alter the rainfall patterns as they have too many people and not enough water. This is an extremely bad idea.
Finally for now, Trump did
not pull out of the Paris agreement either - it was never ratified in the first place by the US senate & congress so how can Trump get the abuse for pulling out of something the government under Obama
never even ratified in the first place!
Lastly, please - I urge you - go take a good look at this site and all it's sister sites.
This is proper science, not the pseudoscience of AGW
https://www.suspicious0bservers.org/
http://magneticreversal.org/
http://earthchanges.org/
The problem is too many people - not too much CO2.