Electric Sun: Equatorial plasma torus?

[Nereid]

In <<moderator action - copyright infringing link removed>>The Electric Sun, an e-book by Talbott and Thornhill (2008), on p24, one reads: "On the right is a list of prominent attributes of the Sun." One of those listed is "equatorial plasma torus".

Page 78 ("Sunspots: the electric model") begins:

An equatorial plasma current ring or torus surrounds the positively charged Sun.

On the facing page, there is a pair of images (or illustrations?), with the caption: "The solar equatorial current ring in ultraviolet light, seen from the polar view (left at right) and side view (right). This is the plasma torus circling the sun."

The credits, on p116: "plasma torus circling sun, Credit ESA/NASA, SOHO"

I cannot find any ESA/NASA, SOHO images that match those on p79; does anyone know where they may be found?

Google turns up many hits for "equatorial plasma torus", as you'd expect, but the only ones that seem relevant to such a feature of the Sun all seem to come from the pen of Thunderbolts project members!

Is this feature truly one discovered by electric theorist(s)? And is the basis for this discovery just the two images (illustrations?) on p79?

Can anyone shed light on this matter?

[Nereid]

This seems to be close to what's in the Thornhill and Talbott Electric Universe: Sun e-book (apparently the owner of the website I used for this document had posted it without permission, a fact I was not aware of), I'll do some detailed checking later.

The source? Cassini's Homecoming, a News & Views item dated 19 June 2004, on The Electric Universe website.

The caption reads: "Solar plasma donut viewed in UV light by the SOHO spacecraft."

However, I can't find the images anywhere on SOHO-related websites (that there's no date data doesn't help).

[David Talbott]

Nereid, by now I'm sure you know that Birkeland produced a comparable torus around a magnetized sphere in his terella experiments. Therefore, in keeping with an even playing field, it would be helpful if you could uncover some prediction from a proponent of the nuclear furnace model, anticipating a charged particle torus around the Sun.

David Talbott

[Sparky]

I have trouble finding things on the web...I have searched for a diagram of how current flows into and within a torus, if it does...i have been told that it does and that it doesn't.

i assume that since a torus is a plasma instability, that at least that portion of it that is visible has current flow.

thanks

[Nereid]

Nereid, by now I'm sure you know that Birkeland produced a comparable torus around a magnetized sphere in his terella experiments. Therefore, in keeping with an even playing field, it would be helpful if you could uncover some prediction from a proponent of the nuclear furnace model, anticipating a charged particle torus around the Sun.

David,

All I am seeking to do in this thread is discover the source of the images (or illustrations).

As the editor (and an author) of "The Electric Universe Sun" e-book, in which the images (or illustrations) appear, I was hoping you'd be able to provide that information.

Having found the source, my next planned step is to understand how you - and Thornhill (and Scott?) - arrived at the 'equatorial plasma torus' (or donut) conclusion. For example, what other material did you use? And what is it about the source (whether images or illustrations) that led you to your conclusions.

I have trouble finding things on the web...I have searched for a diagram of how current flows into and within a torus, if it does...i have been told that it does and that it doesn't.

i assume that since a torus is a plasma instability, that at least that portion of it that is visible has current flow.

Thanks for trying Sparky.

While your assumption may prove accurate, I think it wise to rely on published EU materials in matters like this; I await David Talbott's (or any other electric theorist's) inputs.

[Nereid]

An earlier source (holoscience, 09 November 2003): THE SUN — Our Variable Star (Update 25 Nov)

11. Encircling the Sun''s equator is a ring current forming a doughnut-shaped plasmoid. It is visible in UV light and is a source of stored electromagnetic energy. Occasionally the plasmoid discharges directly to lower levels of the Sun, punching a hole, that we call a sunspot, through the photosphere. A sunspot group can be compared to regional lightning on Earth. Scientists were surprised when they discovered 'awesome plasma hurricanes' just beneath a sunspot. Electric discharges in a plasma naturally drive such rotation. Sunspots of the same magnetic polarity are drawn toward each other, which is inexplicable if they are simply magnetic phenomena. However, two parallel electric current filaments following the magnetic field lines are naturally drawn together.

No source is given for the images (or illustrations).

[PersianPaladin]

I am also searching for the source of that image....I can't find it.

[Nereid]

Page 53 of the Thornhill and Talbott Electric Universe: Sun e-book is a spectacular composite image of the Sun, from this source (at least I assume it's from there); the caption/text on the facing page (of the e-book) reads:

The high resolution image of the solar corona (far right) highlights the paths of filamentary electric currents flowing between the photosphere and space.

If there is an equatorial plasma torus, why isn't it visible in this image?

[Sparky]

nereid, "If there is an equatorial plasma torus, why isn't it visible in this image"

Could it be hiding?....In a different wavelength..

[PersianPaladin]

@Sparky.....

Might I suggest perhaps helping to answer Nereid's question? I do think it is pertinent.

[Sparky]

@Sparky.....

Might I suggest perhaps helping to answer Nereid's question? I do think it is pertinent.

And what makes you think that i can contribute any more than what i have, by suggesting that the image wavelength was one that would not show the torus....?!....geeeesh!

[PersianPaladin]

@Sparky.....

Might I suggest perhaps helping to answer Nereid's question? I do think it is pertinent.

And what makes you think that i can contribute any more than what i have, by suggesting that the image wavelength was one that would not show the torus....?!....geeeesh!

Well, the issue is about where the image comes from.

I have contacted NASA anyway...hopefully this will address Nereid's question and prevent her from claiming that the image is not genuine

[DustyDevil]

@Sparky.....

Might I suggest perhaps helping to answer Nereid's question? I do think it is pertinent.

And what makes you think that i can contribute any more than what i have, by suggesting that the image wavelength was one that would not show the torus....?!....geeeesh!

Well, the issue is about where the image comes from.

I have contacted NASA anyway...hopefully this will address Nereid's question and prevent her from claiming that the image is not genuine

I do not know the source for the plasma torus image referenced upthread by Nereid; however, I can give you some information that can assist you with your inquiry to NASA.

I believe that this image is just one of a set of images used in a 3D tomographic reconstruction of the sun's corona using SOHO's EUV images. You can see 3 such reconstuctions from 1996 at the following link:

http://soi.stanford.edu/results/SolPhys ... index.html

Just scroll down the page to the Global Corona heading; the tomographic reconstuctions are the first 3 movie links available. Pay particular attention to the latitude scan movie; it shows both equatorial and polar views in this reconstruction. I suspect that the process for 3D tomographic reconstuction of the EUV corona has improved greatly since 1996.

With the information that you are looking for 2 images (equatorial and polar views), that were probably used within a latitude scan in a 3D tomographic reconstruction of the sun's EUV corona, prior to November 9, 2003 when it appeared at the above referenced Holoscience article (Our Variable Sun), and, of course, a copy of the image itself, NASA should have an easier time identifying the exact source of these images.

Here's the link to get an article with some background information on 3D tomographic reconstructions of the sun's corona:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/su ... .1.63.6561

You can download a cached pdf copy of this article from that page. Check out Figure 3 in that article on page 6.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your search!

DD

[PersianPaladin]

@Sparky.....

Might I suggest perhaps helping to answer Nereid's question? I do think it is pertinent.

And what makes you think that i can contribute any more than what i have, by suggesting that the image wavelength was one that would not show the torus....?!....geeeesh!

Well, the issue is about where the image comes from.

I have contacted NASA anyway...hopefully this will address Nereid's question and prevent her from claiming that the image is not genuine

I do not know the source for the plasma torus image referenced upthread by Nereid; however, I can give you some information that can assist you with your inquiry to NASA.

I believe that this image is just one of a set of images used in a 3D tomographic reconstruction of the sun's corona using SOHO's EUV images. You can see 3 such reconstuctions from 1996 at the following link:

http://soi.stanford.edu/results/SolPhys ... index.html

Just scroll down the page to the Global Corona heading; the tomographic reconstuctions are the first 3 movie links available. Pay particular attention to the latitude scan movie; it shows both equatorial and polar views in this reconstruction. I suspect that the process for 3D tomographic reconstuction of the EUV corona has improved greatly since 1996.

With the information that you are looking for 2 images (equatorial and polar views), that were probably used within a latitude scan in a 3D tomographic reconstruction of the sun's EUV corona, prior to November 9, 2003 when it appeared at the above referenced Holoscience article (Our Variable Sun), and, of course, a copy of the image itself, NASA should have an easier time identifying the exact source of these images.

Here's the link to get an article with some background information on 3D tomographic reconstructions of the sun's corona:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/su ... .1.63.6561

You can download a cached pdf copy of this article from that page. Check out Figure 3 in that article on page 6.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your search!

DD

Interesting stuff.

Thanks for that.

[Sparky]

nereid, "If there is an equatorial plasma torus, why isn't it visible in this image"

Could it be hiding?....In a different wavelength..

what was nereid's question? did i answer it correctly? If not, then why isn't the torus visible?