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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby comingfrom » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:27 pm

Step 1: produce free oxygen atoms from molecules of rock.
SiO2 => Si++++ + 2O--

Step 2: combine the oxygen atoms with protons from the Sun
O-- + 2H+ => H2O
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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby Maol » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:07 am

webolife wrote:
Maol wrote:he likely scenario for the origin of water is the solar wind contains H+ ions and O- ions and the twain shall meet.

I think you meant OH- ions + H+ ios => H20...

Well, I got the polarity mixed up, but I meant O ions.

A substantial amount of the matter entrained in soar wind and CMEs is atoms other than H and He. About 3% of the solar wind is positive ions of the composition shown in this image. About .75% of the solar mass and ejecta is Oxygen.

Some data from SOHO. Search for the word oxygen in this. There are several mentions of oxygen in the SW and CME's.

http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bull ... ming87.htm

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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:51 pm

Maol, That ESA link seems to be coma-tose ?
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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby Maol » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:26 pm

seasmith wrote:Maol, That ESA link seems to be coma-tose ?


I don't know why the link didn't copy, there must be an inadvertent space added in it.

This is "The First Results from SOHO" in which a search for Oxygen yields 10 returns.

http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bull ... ming87.htm

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UVCS <--- Image links you can follow in the above link to the SOHO report.

(Below is from the SOHO report ESA Bulletin Nr. 87.
Published August 1996.)

Figure 9. These images obtained by SOHO's Ultraviolet Coronagraph Spectrometer (UVCS) are the first of the extended corona in the ultraviolet. They are of atomic hydrogen (a) and highly charged oxygen (b), which flow out of the Sun along with other atomic particles to form the normal-speed solar wind. This material is shaped by the Sun's magnetic field into a giant nozzle called a 'helmet streamer', which extends over 3 000 000 km from the visible edge of the Sun. UVCS has determined that the particle velocities reach 100 km/s at the tips of these structures.

Since the start of its observations in late January of this year, UVCS has made the first ultraviolet images of the extended solar corona above two solar radii from the centre of the Sun. It has sensed the presence of a broad range of chemical elements in the extended corona, and it has actually measured the speed of coronal material as it is accelerated away from the Sun. UVCS has confirmed that protons and the more massive oxygen particles are hotter than the electrons in the outflowing coronal gas. This temperature difference may be the key to identifying the physical processes responsible for solar-wind acceleration and for controlling the composition and temperatures of solar-wind particles near the Earth. UVCS has made the first measurements of the speed of highly charged oxygen as it flows out of the tips of streamers (Fig. 9b) and has also made the first measurements of the supersonic outflow of highly charged oxygen from coronal holes. This information is being used to test theoretical explanations of how the solar wind is accelerated.
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When Lightnings Become "Dust"

Unread postby FS3 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:01 am

On 2016 July 03, comet 67P was at a distance of 3.32 astronomical units (au) from the Sun, outbound from its perihelion passage on 2015 August 13. Rosetta was in a close orbit about the nucleus, at a distance of 8.5 km from the event.

The ESA team saw an "outburst" of "dust".

Who is able to see the impact of an electric discharge?

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The usual mumble-rumble at:

Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03

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sunrise dusty plasma phenomena on comet 67P

Unread postby MattEU » Thu May 24, 2018 12:46 pm

Daily recurring dusty plasma phenomena at sunrise on comet 67P? Electric solar terminator?

The atmosphere of Rosetta's comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko is far from homogeneous. In addition to sudden outbursts of gas and dust, daily recurring phenomena at sunrise can be observed. In these, evaporating gas and entrained dust are concentrated to form jet-like structures.

When the Sun rises over a part of the comet, the surface along the terminator almost instantaneously becomes active, first author Dr Xian Shi from MPS describes 'The jets of gas and dust, which we then observe within the coma, are very reliable: they are found each morning in the same places and in a similar form'
https://phys.org/news/2018-05-rosetta-u ... -jets.html


And the article goes into comets surface geology.

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Re: sunrise dusty plasma phenomena on comet 67P

Unread postby FS3 » Sun May 27, 2018 2:20 pm

Thank you,

this may be just the usual GiGo! Manipulating and backcaculating the initial conditions for the computer modelling after the wanted outcome.


MattEU wrote:Daily recurring dusty plasma phenomena at sunrise on comet 67P? Electric solar terminator?

The atmosphere of Rosetta's comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko is far from homogeneous. In addition to sudden outbursts of gas and dust, daily recurring phenomena at sunrise can be observed. In these, evaporating gas and entrained dust are concentrated to form jet-like structures.

When the Sun rises over a part of the comet, the surface along the terminator almost instantaneously becomes active, first author Dr Xian Shi from MPS describes 'The jets of gas and dust, which we then observe within the coma, are very reliable: they are found each morning in the same places and in a similar form'
https://phys.org/news/2018-05-rosetta-u ... -jets.html


And the article goes into comets surface geology.

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Additionally, they are writing of "landslides"...

However, it would be interesting to explain by exact physicists terms how such a hypothetical landslide may occur, when the gravitation on 67P/C-G is merely 1/100000 of that on Earth.

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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby sol88 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:10 am

Couple great papers out for anyone interested


https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201832198 A tail like no other

https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.205101 Electron and ion dynamics

http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201832842 Root of a comet tail

Pretty well proving the EC model.
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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby sol88 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:11 am

Any one be able to help me with some math?
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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby celeste » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:03 pm

sol88 wrote:Any one be able to help me with some math?

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Re: Electric Comets

Unread postby nick c » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:36 am

I recently received a very interesting email from a fellow proponent of the Electric Comet, with his permission:
Recently, while going through some books I had stored away, I found an old book, Manual of Astronomy, from 1909 by Charles A. Young, Ph.D, LL.D., late of Princeton University.

As it was such an old book, I had thought to dispose of it, but then I flipped through it and came across this interesting passage concerning comets:

As to the cause of luminosity, it is practically agreed that it cannot be due to any general heating of the mass of the comet, of which the mean temperature, on the contrary, is probably extremely low. The explanation now most favored attributes the light to electric discharges between the solid (?) particles through the gases which envelope them, -discharges due to the inductive action of the sun on the "cometic" cloud rushing towards it from regions of space, where the electric potential is presumably different from that of the sun itself. At present...there is not any known reason for assuming a uniform electric potential through all space.

Apparently Astronomers in 1909 were more knowledgeable about comets than today!
Here is a link to that 1909 text:
https://archive.org/details/manualofast ... ch/page/n9
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