Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by starbiter » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:17 pm

GaryN wrote:A map of all the rivers in the United States, and nothing else
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http://io9.com/a-map-of-all-the-rivers- ... -513353739

FRACTAL PATTERNS IN DRIED OUT DESERT RIVERS
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http://twistedsifter.com/2012/05/pictur ... rt-rivers/

Hi Gary,

I assumed these fractal patterns were Lichtenberg remnants. I actually want them to be thunderbolt scars. But while driving aimlessly through the desert i noticed the patterns were always at the lowest point. It might be possible for a thunderbolt to do this without going up and over obstacles, but i doubt it.

The image below from the Moon seems electrical. I haven't seen this on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:As10-31-4646.jpg


If the valleys were flooded and covered with soft sediment, a retreating flood would probably cause the patterns You posted.


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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by GaryN » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:57 am

If the valleys were flooded and covered with soft sediment, a retreating flood would probably cause the patterns You posted.
If water takes the easiest route, then the landform would need to have already existed for the water to assume the patterns seen. If it was all a flat, soft sediment I don't believe the patterns would form as they have. The impression I get is that all the rivers were formed at once, in very short order. Of course flowing water would then have modified the river beds to some degree, but very little unless you allow for the millions or even hundreds of millions of years that geologists suggest for their formation. For my money, I'd say if it walks like a duck..
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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by starbiter » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:32 am

GaryN wrote:
If the valleys were flooded and covered with soft sediment, a retreating flood would probably cause the patterns You posted.
If water takes the easiest route, then the landform would need to have already existed for the water to assume the patterns seen. If it was all a flat, soft sediment I don't believe the patterns would form as they have. The impression I get is that all the rivers were formed at once, in very short order. Of course flowing water would then have modified the river beds to some degree, but very little unless you allow for the millions or even hundreds of millions of years that geologists suggest for their formation. For my money, I'd say if it walks like a duck..

Gary,

I never said the sediments were flat. The act of sloshing doesn't create a flat surface. There might be a deeply buried Licthenberg pattern. Or the process of sloshing/flooding creates dendridit/treelike patterns.


https://www.google.com/search?q=dendrit ... iAL2_IDgBQ

https://www.google.com/search?q=drainag ... 92&bih=514


https://www.google.com/search?q=drainag ... 92&bih=514


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NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Unread post by Aristarchus » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:22 pm

I thought this would be interesting as it pertains to cataclysms from the past:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/icebr ... m7cMHCmj0c
NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Data from a NASA airborne science mission reveals evidence of a large and previously unknown canyon hidden under a mile of Greenland ice.

The canyon has the characteristics of a winding river channel and is at least 460 miles (750 kilometers) long, making it longer than the Grand Canyon. In some places, it is as deep as 2,600 feet (800 meters), on scale with segments of the Grand Canyon. This immense feature is thought to predate the ice sheet that has covered Greenland for the last few million years.
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Re: NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Unread post by jtb » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:16 am

Two thoughts crossed my mind when I read this article.

Since melting glaciers are fresh water they will dilute the oceans: oceans will become less salty.

More water in the oceans will make them heavier which will cause them to sink and possibly raise the continents.
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Re: NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

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Re: NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Unread post by Infinion » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:25 pm

nick c wrote:A Grander Canyon
Nice. Hopefully this won't be the end for the exploration of this canyon. Since it has been preserved and protected from erosion, it will be the first time seeing pristine evidence of sinuous rilles, scallopped edges, and lichtenberg figures that are clear indications of an electric discharge. There could even be burned/scorched terrain that would normally be weathered away in earth's atmosphere.

We've always had to look to Mars and other planetary bodies with rarefied/nonexistant atmospheres to see preserved formations left from electric discharges, and could only image them to a limited extent, but this changes everything, and will hopefully change how areologists view formations like Valles Marineris on Mars.

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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by GaryN » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:53 pm

An 'impact crater' I had not heard of before:

Wetumpka Impact Crater
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"Where the Star Fell"
http://www.cityofwetumpka.com/Default.asp?ID=145

Some questionable science here though:
The researchers indeed found the core contained shocked quartz, which can only be formed by an enormous explosion such as a large meteor impact would cause.
Not technically correct.
CAN LIGHTNING STRIKES PRODUCE SHOCKED QUARTZ? (full pdf at the link)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012LPI....43.1160C

So, an electrical discharge, or an impactor, or a combination, if you consider the absolutely monstrous level of piezo-electrical activity that must have occurred with an (assumed) object that size travelling at such speed.
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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by GaryN » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:46 pm

Meteorite impact structure reveals mineral deposit hotspots
The world's largest and oldest meteorite impact structure has been discovered through research on the formation of gold deposits in WA's Eastern Goldfields.
Located in the eastern Yilgarn, the Watchorn Impact Structure (WIS) is 560km in diameter at its widest point and estimated to be more than 2.6 billion years old.
http://phys.org/news/2013-11-meteorite- ... posit.html

An ancient impact, or a more recent gigantic electromagnetic event? The gold came from the meteor or was created in situ by extreme energies?
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Was the Greenland canyon created by a sputtering arc?

Unread post by Max Photon » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:48 am

... Since it [the Greenland Canyon] has been preserved and protected from erosion, it will be the first time seeing pristine evidence of sinuous rilles, scallopped edges, and lichtenberg figures that are clear indications of an electric discharge. There could even be burned/scorched terrain that would normally be weathered away in earth's atmosphere.
... pocked sinuous rilles!

That's what caught my eye when looking at a graphical flyover of our Greenland Grander Canyon: the look of a scar from a sputtering arc.
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Re: NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Unread post by viscount aero » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:31 pm

NASA | Greenland's Mega Canyon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENg9Hci9y3M

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Re: NASA Data Reveals Mega-Canyon under Greenland Ice Sheet

Unread post by viscount aero » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Infinion wrote:
nick c wrote:A Grander Canyon
Nice. Hopefully this won't be the end for the exploration of this canyon. Since it has been preserved and protected from erosion, it will be the first time seeing pristine evidence of sinuous rilles, scallopped edges, and lichtenberg figures that are clear indications of an electric discharge. There could even be burned/scorched terrain that would normally be weathered away in earth's atmosphere.

We've always had to look to Mars and other planetary bodies with rarefied/nonexistant atmospheres to see preserved formations left from electric discharges, and could only image them to a limited extent, but this changes everything, and will hopefully change how areologists view formations like Valles Marineris on Mars.
Whereas I agree with the finding as it is magnificent and indicative of possible electrical scarring I highly doubt anytime soon that it will "change how areologists view formations like Valles Marineris on Mars." Mars is all result of "water erosion" to conventional science.

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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by the postman » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:40 am

If Lichtenberg formations on the Earth's surface are indeed indicative of electrical phenomena, then here's a reasonably nice example found to the East of Fort Stockton in West Texas...

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5492658 ... !1e3?hl=en

And just a bit further north is my favorite...

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3133754 ... !1e3?hl=en

I'm not yet fully convinced that these are electrical phenomena BUT the main "trunk" of this particular "tree" appears to be over 2000 feet wide! Notice all of the oil wells in the vicinity.

Just to the West of San Angelo are some other nice ones (with at least one "trunk" exceeding 1 mile in width):

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.4741204 ... !1e3?hl=en

Are these caused by electrical discharge or simply by erosion?

Again, lots of oil wells in the vicinity.

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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by Steve Smith » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:36 am

One has to be careful about electrical scarring. I don't know if this has been posted here (frankly, I don't have time to go through all the posts), but there is a mathematical way to determine what is electrical and what is not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7w1rGeqXBg

An analysis of some features by Dr. Paul Anderson.

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Re: Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

Unread post by the postman » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:49 pm

Steve, Thanks for posting the video. That's an interesting lecture given by Paul. Regarding having to be carefull, I agree with you. I was hesitant to post for this very reason and hence why I asked the question, (are these caused by electrical discharge or erosion?). The thing that I have the most trouble getting past is that the arc "ends" (if these were actually caused by an electrical discharge) are always at the highest elevation, which seems the reverse of what one would expect. For these to actually be electrical in nature, we would have to be looking at them in-reverse somehow, (like a photographic negative) and the only way I can imagine that being the case is if a cosmic scale electrical discharge could actually cause the "raising" of a mountain peak... Is that remotely possible?

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