Electric Jupiter

Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Jupiter finally goes "electric"!

Unread post by Shelgeyr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:06 am

I thought about starting another thread, called something like "They're really getting lazy", but decided instead to simply put this info here due to the Jupiter tie-in.

Check out the ridiculous "artwork" adorning this article: http://news.discovery.com/space/earth-m ... hield.html .

Without commenting on the content of the article (since it was the graphic that caught my attention) I'd like to point out the obvious, which is the "magnetic shield" the "artist" saw fit to bestow upon the Earth is the picture of Jupiter's aurora's, photoshoped (mirrored, rotated, whatever) that can be seen in the last picture on the right in this slide show: http://news.discovery.com/space/aurora- ... omena.html.

That's both lazy and ugly.

Come on Discovery, this is fantasy work after all - let's see some quality illustrations! You're getting smeared by the Elves!

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Re: Jupiter finally goes "electric"!

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Re: Jupiter finally goes "electric"!

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Re: Jupiter finally goes "electric"!

Unread post by StefanR » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:26 am


Earlier this year when Jupiter's great South Equatorial Belt (SEB) vanished, researchers urged amateur astronomers to be alert for its eventual return. The SEB had come and gone before, they noted, and the revival was something to behold. Alert: It might be happening now. After months of quiet in Jupiter's south equatorial zone, a white plume is surging through the cloudtops where the SEB should be. Christopher Go of the Philippines took this picture on Nov. 9th:

It might not look like much, but this is how a revival of the SEB begins--a small disturbance in the upper atmosphere heralds a much larger profusion of spots and swirls bursting forth around the whole circumference of the giant planet. Amid the confusion, Jupiter's vast brown stripe emerges.

Subsequent observations by astronomers in the United States, Japan, and the Philippines not only confirm the plume, but also show it brightening rapidly. Indeed, as Nov. 11th unfolds, it is the single brightest spot on Jupiter in wavebands ranging from infrared to ultraviolet.
"This plume is so energetic that we can confidently expect it to develop into the SEB Revival," says John Rogers, director of the Jupiter section of the British Astronomical Association. "The SEB Revival is usually spectacular, so we can expect impressive and rapidly changing disturbances over the next 3 months."

Experienced planetary photographers are encouraged to monitor developments. If events proceed apace, the Revival could become visible to novices using small backyard telescopes, so stay tuned.
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Very interesting statement indeed.....

Unread post by neilwilkes » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:09 pm

http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php ... &year=2010

Here - on the main page - we read the following almost incredible statement:
Radio signals from Jupiter are not a sign of extraterrestrial intelligence. They occur naturally, caused by plasma instabilities in Jupiter's magnetosphere and fueled by powerful electric currents that flow between Jupiter and the volcanic moon Io.
Admission - in one sentence - of Plasma events in Jupiter's Magnetosphere as well as Electric Currents flowing between Jupiter & Io!

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Re: influencing wikipedia

Unread post by Grits » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:48 pm

We should use this as a wedge to drive plasma cosmology into wikipedia.

edit - I just took a look at the Jupiter article on wikipedia, among other things, it asserts that "Electrons from this plasma sheet ionize the torus-shaped cloud of sulfur dioxide generated by the tectonic activity on the moon Io." Aaarrrgggghhh!!!111one1
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Re: Very interesting statement indeed.....

Unread post by flyingcloud » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:50 pm

incredible ideed
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Re: Very interesting statement indeed.....

Unread post by mharratsc » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:27 am

Well, really- what did you expect? That they would drop the current paradigm and embrace the Electric Universe? ;)

We're going to see more and more of these absolutely incontrivertible discoveries being made, but they are only going to be able to apply exactly what they discovered, and then everyone is going to work feverishly to try and incorporate it into the mainstreamist mindset. They are not going to be allowed to use it as a springboard for 'pseudoscientific' ideas like sustained currents between the gas giants and the Sun just because there are currents between the Earth and the Sun... there might be "unique physics" that account for this behavior, in their minds. 'Magic tornados' are just as valid an idea as Birkeland currents, unless you can either incontrivertibly prove the existence of the Sun-Earth electrodynamics, or incontrivertibly disprove 'magic tornados'. :roll:

Sadly, this is how Science is done in the Western world these days. You find it in every single source of science news on the planet. SpaceWeather.com has-in my opinion- been one of the most 'liberal' sources when treating electrical phenomena in space, by contrast to all the others. :\
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Re: Very interesting statement indeed.....

Unread post by webolife » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:17 pm

...for the times, they are a-chaaaangin'...
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Re: Very interesting statement indeed.....

Unread post by Anaconda » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:10 pm

The Jupiter -- Io electrical connection is just one of many processes observed & measured within interplanetary space which contradict the following statement:
mainstream astrophysicist wrote:It has also long been known that there are no electric fields in the rest frame of that plasma [it simply shorts out].
The above quote relies on an electrostatics context, but space plasma has been repeatedly observed & measured as an electro-dynamic phenomenon. It's only in an electro-dynamic context that space plasmas can be properly understood.

The above quote is a standard rejoinder from astrophysicists, but it's untenable for several additional reasons:

Plasma by definition is not "shorted out", rather, plasma is constituted of charged particles, and each charged particle has an electric force, also known as Coulomb force, denoted by a negative or positive sign. When charged particles' electric force interacts with magnetic fields, electric fields breakout and the resultant electric fields act to accelerate the charged particles as electrical currents.

As long as there is plasma, the plasma has not been "shorted out" into neutral atoms. So, the astrophysicist's statement is an oxymoron.

Getting back to the original comment:
neilwilkes wrote:http://www.spaceweather.com/

Here - on the main page - we read the following almost incredible statement:
Radio signals from Jupiter are not a sign of extraterrestrial intelligence. They occur naturally, caused by plasma instabilities in Jupiter's magnetosphere and fueled by powerful electric currents that flow between Jupiter and the volcanic moon Io.
Admission - in one sentence - of Plasma events in Jupiter's Magnetosphere as well as Electric Currents flowing between Jupiter & Io!

The reason for the admission is simple, astrophysicists have no choice: Electric fields & electric currents have been empirically observed & measured between Jupiter and Io.

Wikipedia entry for Flux tube:
A flux tube is a generally tube-like (cylindrical) region of space containing a magnetic field, such that the field at the side surfaces is parallel to those surfaces. Both the cross-sectional area of the tube and the field contained may vary along the length of the tube, but the magnetic flux is always constant.

As used in astrophysics, a flux tube generally has a larger magnetic field and other properties that differ from the surrounding space. They are commonly found around stars, including the Sun, which has many flux tubes of around 300 km diameter. Sunspots are also associated with larger flux tubes of 2500 km diameter. Some planets also have flux tubes. A well-known example is the flux tube between Jupiter and its moon Io.

Here is a peer-reviewed paper published in Astrophysics and Space Science (1988), which supports the proposition that Io’s volcanoes may be at least partially an electromagnetic plasma mechanism.

Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico, U.S.A.
Department of Space Physics and Astronomy, Rice University, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
Abstract. Volcanic plumes on the Jovian satellite Io may be a visible manifestation of a plasma-arc discharge phenomenon. The amount of power in the plasma arc ( ~ 1011 W) is not enough to account for all the energy dissipated by the volcanoes. However, once a volcano is initiated by tidal and geologic processes, the dynamics of the volcanic plumes can be influenced by the plasma arcs. As initially pointed out by Gold (1979), plasma arcs are expected because of ~ 10 6 A currents and 400 kV potentials generated by the flow past Io of a torus of relatively dense magnetospheric plasma. We utilize our experience with laboratory plasma arcs to investigate the plume dynamics. The filamentation in the plume of the volcano Prometheus and its cross sectional shape is quantitatively consistent with theories developed from laboratory observation.

The above paper followed a peer-reviewed paper by well known astrophysicist Thomas Gold published in Science (1979):

The outbursts seen on Jupiter’s satellite Io have been described as volcanic eruptions. They may instead be the result of large electric currents flowing through hot spots on Io and causing evaporation of surface materials. A strictly periodic behavior would then be expected.

Another scientific paper, Io’s Interaction With the Jovian Magnetosphere, discusses the Jupiter — Io electro-magnetic connection:
lo had already called attention to itself by controlling decametric wavelength radio emissions. Previous attempts to explain this control assumed that the movement of lo, an object with high electrical conductance, through the Jovian magnetic field leads to falling electrical potential, particle acceleration, and a field-aligned current system [magnetic flux tube] coupling lo to the Jovian ionosphere.

The force generated by the electrodynamic interaction is thought to accelerate lo in its orbital motion and slow the rotation of the Jovian ionosphere. The magnetic flux tube that threads through lo thus plays a critical role in the coupling of lo and Jupiter. Since lo’s orbital motion is not synchronous with Jupiter’s spin, the lo flux tube slips with respect to Jupiter and/or lo. Such slippage may result in an electric field parallel to the Jovian magnetic field that accelerates charged particles along the field, as occurs in the auroral regions on Earth.
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/ ... Io_Jovian/

And, another paper, Electron beams and ion composition measured at Io and in its torus:

Intense, magnetic field-aligned, bidirectional, energetic (>15 kiloelectron volts) electron beams were discovered by the Galileo energetic particles detector during the flyby of Io. These beams can carry sufficient energy flux into Jupiter’s atmosphere to produce a visible aurora at the footprint of the magnetic flux tube connecting Io to Jupiter. Composition measurements through the torus showed that the spatial distributions of protons, oxygen, and sulfur are different, with sulfur being the dominant energetic (> approximately 10 kiloelectron volts per nucleon) ion at closest approach.

From the above abstract:
Intense, magnetic field-aligned, bidirectional, energetic (>15 kiloelectron volts) electron beams were discovered by the Galileo energetic particles detector during the flyby of Io.
Electron beams are electrical currents, and another term for "magnetic field-aligned, bidirectional, energetic electron beams" is Birkeland currents:
A Birkeland current usually refers to the electric currents in a planet's ionosphere that follows magnetic field lines (ie field-aligned currents), and sometimes used to described any field-aligned electric current in a space plasma. They are caused by the movement of a plasma perpendicular to a magnetic field. Birkeland currents often show filamentary, or twisted "rope-like" magnetic structure. They are also known as field-aligned currents, magnetic ropes and magnetic cables).

And a recent, 2009, paper, Generation of parallel electric fields in the Jupiter―Io torus wake region:

Abstract (partial):
Infrared and ultraviolet images have established that auroral emissions at Jupiter caused by the electromagnetic interaction with Io not only produce a bright spot, but an emission trail that extends in longitude from Io’s magnetic footprint. Electron acceleration that produces the bright spot is believed to be dominated by Alfvén waves whereas we argue that the trail or wake aurora results from quasi-static parallel electric fields associated with large-scale, field-aligned currents between the Io torus and Jupiter’s ionosphere. These currents ultimately transfer angular momentum from Jupiter to the Io torus. We examine the generation and the impact of the quasi-static parallel electric fields in the Io trail aurora. A critical component to our analysis is a current-voltage relation that accounts for the low-density plasma along the magnetic flux tubes that connect the Io torus and Jupiter…

So, we have several papers that discuss the electromagnetic connection between Io and Jupiter via magnetic flux tubes (sometimes called Birkeland currents) which are an electromagnetic structure and two papers which specifically discuss Io’s volcanoes and the possible electromagnetic, free electrons & ions, plasma mechanism of those volcanoes.

No reputable astrophysicist denies the Jupiter -- Io electromagnetic connection.

And, numerous other interplanetary processes and phenomenon have been observed & measured which are indisputably electromagnetic in nature.

Physical reality is trumping dogma!

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Jupiter has Van Allen Belts too

Unread post by Aristarchus » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:35 pm

I thought the following article was intriguing considering the perspective of the EU model that concerns the plasma discharge plumes from Io

http://www.universetoday.com/13099/jupi ... rediction/

Jupiter has Van Allen Belts too, Just Bigger; Implications for Space Weather Prediction
The interaction of Jupiter’s moons with its atmosphere is highlighted when analysing the pattern of the polar auroral regions on the planet. As the magnetic field is so strong on Jupiter, massive regions of bright emission can be seen in the UV wavelengths (pictured top). This is emission from huge auroral displays as highly energetic particles funnel down magnetic flux and interact with Jupiter’s atmosphere (similar to Earth’s auroral displays, only much bigger). There are some strange patterns in the auroral “crown” – “footprints” of the Jovian moons, Io, Ganymede and Europa. The moons emit particles which get directed down to Jupiter by the gas giant’s magnetic field. These footprints appear as little spots in Jovian polar regions, rotating with the moons as they pass through the magnetosphere.
By far the strongest influence on Jupiter’s magnetosphere, Io is constantly erupting with material, firing it through the Jovian magnetic field. Thanks to Galileo data, it appears this fast orbiting moon generates low frequency radio waves, driving the high energy particles trapped within Jupiter’s plasmasphere through wave-particle interactions.
I apologize if this is a rethread of an older topic. It just caught my eye.
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Re: Jupiter finally goes "electric"!

Unread post by nick c » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:27 pm

Thanks to StefanR for gathering all the links together. We will combine eight Jupiter threads on the "Planetary Science" board, in this thread: "Electric Jupiter".

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Re: Electric Jupiter

Unread post by StefanR » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:05 pm

These images and movie show the distribution of the organic molecule acetylene at the north and south poles of Jupiter, based on data obtained by NASA's Cassini spacecraft in early January 2001. It is the highest-resolution map of acetylene to date on Jupiter. The enhanced emission results both from the warmer temperatures in the auroral hot spots, and probably also from an enhanced abundance in these regions. The detection helps scientists understand the chemical interactions between sunlight and molecules in Jupiter's stratosphere.

These maps were made by NASA's composite infrared spectrometer.
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Re: Electric Jupiter

Unread post by MrAmsterdam » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:05 pm

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/juno/ ... index.html

Key things to know about Juno

Spacecraft launched August 5, 2011
Five-year cruise to Jupiter, arriving July 2016
Spacecraft will orbit Jupiter for about one year (33 orbits)
Mission ends with de-orbit into Jupiter
Juno will improve our understanding of our solar system’s beginnings by revealing the origin and evolution of Jupiter.

Specifically, Juno will…

Determine how much water is in Jupiter’s atmosphere, which helps determine which planet formation theory is correct (or if new theories are needed)
Look deep into Jupiter’s atmosphere to measure composition, temperature, cloud motions and other properties
Map Jupiter’s magnetic and gravity fields, revealing the planet’s deep structure
Explore and study Jupiter’s magnetosphere near the planet’s poles, especially the auroras – Jupiter’s northern and southern lights – providing new insights about how the planet’s enormous magnetic force field affects its atmosphere.


Juno Flight System & Payload

The Juno spacecraft is scheduled to launch aboard an Atlas V-551 rocket from Cape Canaveral, Fla., in Aug. 2011, reaching Jupiter in July 2016. The spacecraft will orbit Jupiter 32 times, skimming to within 3,100 miles (5,000 kilometers) above the planet's cloud tops, for approximately one year.

Juno's scientific payload includes:

A gravity/radio science system
A six-wavelength microwave radiometer for atmospheric sounding and composition
A vector magnetometer
Plasma and energetic particle detectors
A radio/plasma wave experiment
An ultraviolet imager/spectrometer
An infrared imager/spectrometer
I have no specifics about the Plasma and energetic particle detectors radio/plasma wave experiment. I wonder if these sensors could be described as Langmuir probes and plasma antennas?

My question for NASA would be; can the local electric and plasma fields (which the space probe Juno is going to measure) partly explain the existence of the Jupiter's Magnetosphere?
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Re: Electric Jupiter

Unread post by jjohnson » Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:32 pm

Juno is well on its way outbound to Jupiter now. Here is a nice 6 minute narrated video of the launch. You can choose 720p for a fairly hi-def picture. I love rocket launches.

With luck, in 5 years Juno will go into orbit around Jupiter and start gathering really detailed data on the EM environment around Jupiter, much as Cassini has done for Saturn. One hopes it supports/expands on EU ideas about this planet and its system of moons, plasma and electrical currents linking them to each other and the Sun.


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