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Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:06 pm

I willl show you soon [being a japanophile myself] how Japan is RICH with Saturnian imagry / They have the very same "ARCHETYPES" as EVERY other culture!!! Every thing from the Garden rituals to the temple construction was reminiscent of the former age!


THIS IS THE TYPE OF INTERPETATIONS THAT WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN THE COMPARATIVE INVESTIGATORS ANALYSIS!!! :


"We had to believe the shape of the path into the stars - implied by all this ancient spiritual cosmogeny - was based somehow in deep physics ... well now we know... The hotest subject in PLASMA STELLAR PHYSICS TODAY (practically the entire Plasma Physics Dept - at the famous Los Alamos ) is after they spent years modelling the NINE NESTED TOROIDS which formed the PLASMA STORM FROM THE GALAXY HEART which has pretty much toasted all Earth DNA every 7 thousand years or so, they were mystified to find that the results of their hottest computer models - had already been carved on the ROCKS IN THEIR PARKING LOT by indigenous tribes thousands of years ago - AND on literally hundreds of ancient petroglyphs from virtually every major ancient tribe AROUND THE GLOBE...

That plasma storm - was called VISHNU"


To quote Daves book THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS pg.89

"we do not wish to glorify mythology as a source of higher teachings or hidden wisdom"
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Re: Origins of Myth...

Unread postby Millennium » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:46 pm

Plasmatic wrote:
I willl show you soon [being a japanophile myself] how Japan is RICH with Saturnian imagery / They have the very same "ARCHETYPES" as EVERY other culture!!! Every thing from the Garden rituals to the temple construction was reminiscent of the former age!


it would be fun to co-explore this area with you perhaps. Megumi and I spent a little time two weeks ago, reconstructing the his-and-herstory of Japan re: names of the seven deity-days of the week ... and their origins in Chinese Feng Shui ... and their association with the Chinese 'elements' ... from a book if I recall written in 1600BC ... to their adoption in 'Buddhist-Shinto' Japan in 600 AD or so. [Saturn, Saturday, was associated with the element 'Earth' ... and our cosmic 'Center' as compare North (Water, Mercury), South (Fire, Mars), East (Wood, Jupiter) and West (Metal, Venus)?]

Megumi and I are both of Saturn.

my particular interest is looking back in time, in the Japanese isles ... to focus on the Jomon people and true Shinto ... their age of universal spirits ... to the song/names they sang for the Sun and planets and stars. [said to be a very Polynesian matrifocal Japanese period.]

when Megumi and I write up our initial little introduction and post it to yahoogroups I will let you know here ... and you can feed us back with what you know ... and we can build from there.

I also have a book, in Japanese, on the (Jade Age?) Mother Turtle Goddess culture and Temples from China and Japan ... and may find some bits and pieces of that which are of interest to you and others of this planet born (reborn) in that "unifying bolt of plasma" ...
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Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:19 pm

I also have a book, in Japanese, on the (Jade Age?) Mother Turtle Goddess culture and Temples from China and Japan ... and may find some bits and pieces of that which are of interest to you and others of this planet born (reborn) in that "unifying bolt of plasma"


Yes indeed Im learning Japanese and would love any new input. In a while Ill start a thread for this topic , once I gather a bit of my notes etc.
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Re: Origins of Myth...

Unread postby Millennium » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:52 pm

Image

these are two Jomon Japanese Dogu images which bring to mind the Saturn-Polar-Sun imagery of Talbott, and the Z-Pinch Aboriginal Petroglyph imagery of Peratt et al:

which can be viewed in larger detail at:
http://groupkos.com/mtwain/WOW/DoguStars1.jpg
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Re: Origins of Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:26 am

Yes indeed , in a private discussion we have discussed both the Jomon venus figurines and the turtle mound/primevil hill archtype as relates to Japanese myth. Lets hold on this until we start a thread for it , I dont want to derail Daves thread any further , O.K. :)
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:02 pm

Here are some of my comments in a private discussion. If Dave allows Ill post his additions to my comments as well.

"Im probably the resident Japanophile. Im currently custom building my
house in traditionianl japanese tea house style, as well as my own
tansu furniture . Complete with 25 different japanese maples and 12
diff. bamboo varieties on my property.

I can tell you that Japan is FULL of saturninan remnants. Everywhere
you look you find trisms.{saturn ,venus,mars}The geomancy practices of
the monks concerning rock placements,usually in threes in pyramid
configurations. The knots that hang from
the shinto temples ,the Medate on the Samurai helmet the Hair and
horns on masks and helmet. The same motife on the roof of Ghasso
Zukuri Houses called the Kabuto {helmet} Basically the cresent often
worn on the Helmet{meadate} The samurai top nots.The stone lanterns
which look like the torus instabilities as well. The worrior God
statues with Huge clubs.The Torii Gates as entrances into a sacred
realm.{which look like The top torus on the Plasma instabilities}.The
central turtle mound/island/primevil hill, the crane [one legged
symbol found all over}The pine/banzai as the idealized representation
of the plasma column/world tree ,usually 7 or 8 layers. I could go on
for paragraphs.

The flag always reminds me of the idea of the 56 filament
instabilities as if viewed from a lattitute that is almost perfectly
straight up the column at the sphere above[ whether that was Saturn or
a plasmoid,I would love to have a discussion.}

Check this out the female figurine of the so called "Goggle" type from
th Jomon period :

http://www.askasia.org/teachers/images/image.php?no=671



"Because of their prominent, bug-like eyes, sculptures like this are
often called "clay figurine with snow-goggles" (shako dogu). Most
likely, however, these statuettes signify the Jomon people's abstract
representation of the human figure. The prominent breasts and wide
hips of this female figurine make plausible its association with
fertility, especially given the importance of fertility goddesses in
other Stone Age cultures. The most recent theory proposes that, in
fact, the female figurine, like most Jomon clay statuettes, were made
and used for mystic-religious rites, in which the objects were
purposely fractured and scattered in and around the village. Jomon-
period objects, their shapes indicating different regional styles,
have been uncovered in every region of modern-day Japan"

It is obvious instabilities being stylized. The Owl goddess types are
easily seen in it.

Someone else asked

"Interesting stuff, neat figurine.
> What is your opinion on the turtle-motiff of the American Indian
vs the sacred scarab of the Egyptians?"



Well im no expert but here goes:

"Just then, the turtle swam forward and said, "Use my back to bear
the weight of this piece of Earth. With the help of Kitchi-Manitou,
we can make a new Earth." Nanaboozhoo put the piece of Earth on the
turtle's back. Suddenly, the wind blew from each of the Four
Directions, The tiny piece of Earth on the turtle's back began to
grow. It grew and grew and grew until it formed a mi-ni-si', or
island in the water. The island grew larger and larger, but still
the turtle bore the weight of the Earth on his back. Nanaboozhoo and
the animals all sang and danced in a widening circle on the growing
island. After a while, the Four Winds ceased to blow and the waters
became still. A huge island sat in the middle of the water, and
today that island is known as North America."



" Turtle poked her head through the soft beach mud. Nanaboozhoo
picked up two large shells from the shore and placed one on top of
the other. He scooped up Mishekae and put her right in the middle,
between the shells.

Nanaboozhoo took a deep breath and began. "You will never be injured
like that again." he said slowly. "Whenever danger threatens," he
continued, "you can pull your legs and head into the shell for
protection"

Nanaboozhoo sat beside his friend on the beach and told Mishekae his
thoughts. "The shell itself is round like Mother Earth. It was a
round hump which resembles her hills and mountains. It is divided
into segments, like martyrizes that are a part of her; each
different and yet connected by her."

Mishekae seemed very pleased with and listened intently. "You have
four legs, each representing the points of direction North, South,
East and West." he said. "When the legs are all drawn in, all
directions are lost. Your tail will show the many lands where the
Anishnabek have been and your head will point in the direction to
follow."


Now compare that to the Japanese idea:

"The tortoise Isle is a small mound in the water or sand that is
usually planted with pines. A rock chosen for its resemblance to a
turtle's a turtle's head is placed at one end of the mound evoking
an image a turtle's snout poking out of the water. Four other rocks
are placed at the turtle's "feet"at the appropriate four corners."
JAPANESE GARDEN DESIGN Marc P Kean.......

Now add Daves comments from THE SHIP OF HEAVEN:

"we see the Aten-band in the ship,
and the sun god, now portrayed conceptually as the beetle god
Khepera, inside
the enclosure. Around the band and helping to preserve one of its
most
crucial mythical identities, is an encircling serpent with tail in
mouth, the
folds of the serpent being presented in such a way as to state
pictorially
another mythical attribute of the band: it was conceived as a
surrounding
stream of water."

So Kepera was in the serpent enclosure/stream of water.....along
with Daves comment in THE SATURN MYTH:

"To discern the connection of the mount and enclosure we must return
once more to the legends of Atum. The texts of all periods agree
that in the beginning Atum, or Khepera, floated alone in the Abyss
without a resting place. The god recalls the original epoch:
... When I was alone in the waters ...
before I had found anywhere to stand or sit,
before Heliopolis [the celestial earth] had
been founded that I might be there,
before a perch had been formed for me to sit on ...(9) "

So id say there related to the Primevil Hill mythology. Also the
obvious color Green scarab /green turtle etc.


The same person replied

"My curiosity concerns the period in which the scarab is shown wearing beautiful rainbow colored wings. King Tut's lovely pectoral is an example. I could not find a winged turtle in other myths, however.
The scarab is also related to the Hebrew cherub (skrb vs krb). They both shielded/veiled the throne of the god, or his 'face'. The turtle was given no such distinction. They both were related to rebirth, however...So it's confusing on those two points.

I suppose I really am just wondering if the scarab and turtle were similar manifestations, but from separate eras.
Thanks for your insights-"


This passage may help synthesize the 2 concepts. Particularly as
Dave has mentioned in the form of "Stability":

"since these marine mountains floated interested< [?] in the ocean, the
Emperor of Heaven ordained that turtles should act as pillars in
order to stabilize them and keep them still. This is what is behind
the appearance of the turtle in the story of Urashima Taro. But
explains above all why these Doaist lands give birth, in Japanese
gardens, to the "Turtle Island" which is a kind of substitute for
the animals and it's traditionally paired with the "Crane Island"
both creatures being symbols of longevity ........"

" Since the floating aisles of the immortals were mountains, they
were inherently unstable, so the Lord of heaven had instructed giant
turtles to carry them on their backs to stabilize them. For this
reason they are often represented in chinese gardens as resting on
turtle shaped rocks rather than floating in the sea."....[READING
ZEN IN THE ROCKS Francios Berhier]

Now add that to:

"the "Crane Isle is also a small mound, again, planted with
pines. To model the crane, along rock is placed jutting out
horizontally from the mound representing the crane's neck extended
in flight, and prominent upright stones on the top of the mound are
used to depict the wings of the crane drawn upwards as it flies."

Then we add Daves comments from THE SATURN MYTH;The Crecent Wings:

"The same crescent which appeared to the ancients as upraised arms
also received mythical interpretations as the extended wings of the
great god or goddess.
Ancient Sumerian myths recall a monstrous bird called Imdugud
hovering over the primeval waters, its wings outstretched. Imdugud
(the Akkadian winged dragon Zu) was a form of Ningirsu or Ninurta,
the planet Saturn.(1)
In this primordial wind-bird or thunder-bird scholars recognize the
prototype of the Teutonic Hraesvelgr, the winged god of the storm,
and the Hindu eagle Garuda, whose wings were so great as to affect
the cosmic revolutions. According to the Athapascans of North
America a raven hovered over the waters generating claps of thunder
by the movement of his wings.(2)
Natives of Hawaii say that at the beginning of time, when only the
ocean existed, a great white bird appeared in the highest heaven,
the egg of the world resting between its outstretched wings.(3) Very
similar is the Hebrew mythical bird Ziz, standing in mid-ocean. The
Ziz was as monstrous as Leviathan, for while his ankles rested on
our earth, his head reached the sky.(4) "........

"Horus is "the venerable bird in whose shadow is the wide earth;
Lord of the Two Lands under whose wings is the circuit of heaven
[the Cosmos].(7) "...



"What powers did the ancients seek to represent by the spread
wings of the divine eagle, hawk, or falcon -- or the extended wings
of the purely mythical "thunder-bird" described around the world?
The Egyptians called the cosmic island of beginnings the "Great
Foundation Ground of the Ruler of the Wing"(9)almost as if the Wing
possessed a character of its own. The divinized Wing marched around
the island, according to the texts.(10)
Few comparative mythologists seem to have recognized that a common
image of the cosmic bird prevails throughout the world, and this
image corresponds directly to the pillared sun-in-crescent &#65532;. Rather
than portray the winged beast either in flight or in a seemingly
normal resting position, the artists regularly depicted it virtually
standing on its tail feathers, with its wings spread upward to form
a crescent. "...

"the wings of the cosmic falcon enclose and protect the deified
king, in precisely the same fashion as the Ka-arms"


Your comment comes to light in Daves words here:

"
The palette of Narmer illustrates how little ancients were disturbed
by this simultaneous use of the two images. It shows the king's
victory three times, once as a man destroying the enemy chief with
his mace, once as the Horus falcon holding him in subjection with a
rope passed through his nose, and once as a 'strong bull'
demolishing enemy strongholds."(14)
If the Egyptians were not bothered by this paradoxical duality, it
was for a simple reason: the great god's shining horns were also his
wings! This is why the Apis bull was pictured with outstretched
wings upon its back(15) (fig. 76a) and why the portrait of the Bakha
bull shows a vulture extending its wings over the bull's hindquarters
(16) (fig. 76b).
The same winged bull, of course, is common to Mesopotamian ritual
(fig. 126) and passes into Hebrew cherubim, protectors of the divine
throne. The wings of the cherubim "reached from one end of the world
to the other."(17)"
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:13 pm

I thought Id add these images in which you can see various examples of the motifs from "The Crowns of Sages and Warrior-Kings" thread , in the samurai Helmet [kabuto]. Particlarly the medatae crest on the top. Also the "top knot" is related it seems to the "sidelock" as well. Also I might add the japanese maple leaf was a popular ornament and it reflects the 8 or 7 rayed off axis view of venus.

http://www.japanese-helmets.com/

http://images.inmagine.com/img/imagemor ... 020034.jpg

As well as the naval flag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nava ... _Japan.svg

As well as the Chrysanthemum crest :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kikunogomonshou.jpg
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:33 am

I don't know you if you know this guy, Karura. He's from Japanese Buddhism but was originally the Hindu Garuda.
This wiki article is stub but it has a few links which may help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karura

I've just had a quick look at the Garuda link and he is associated with the (Hindu) constellation Eagle. Scorpio used to be the Eagle in western astronomy/astrology- as in Man, Lion, Eagle and Bull in Ezekiel and Revelation for example. These are the four cardinal points of the zodiac, Aquarius, Leo, Scorpio, Taurus. I think Eagle/Scorpio is West but you would have to check it out.
In Thailand he is the arch-enemy of Nagas (serpents).
Oh, and he's big enough to block out the Sun.
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby David Talbott » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:16 pm

Plasmatic wrote:I thought Id add these images in which you can see various examples of the motifs from "The Crowns of Sages and Warrior-Kings" thread , in the samurai Helmet [kabuto]. Particlarly the medatae crest on the top. Also the "top knot" is related it seems to the "sidelock" as well. Also I might add the japanese maple leaf was a popular ornament and it reflects the 8 or 7 rayed off axis view of venus.

http://www.japanese-helmets.com/

http://images.inmagine.com/img/imagemor ... 020034.jpg
.....
As well as the Chrysanthemum crest :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kikunogomonshou.jpg


Plasmatic, you've provided a good demonstration that, even before we get to certain themes, there is plenty of room for independent exploration, based on self-evident predictions of the model.

To really put the war helmet in perspective, we'll need to take up the role of the goddess as "great protectress." It's a theme I want to explore soon. The goddess as star-flower is also the warrior's shield--and his protective "helmet." If you see this through the lens of the model, there is obviously no separating the four attributes of the goddess: star, flower, shield, helmet. Resting inside the explosive streamers of the discharging star or flower, the warrior is symbolically placed in the unassailable center; he is "protected" by the goddess, whose explosive discharge the early traditions celebrated as terrifying and inapproachable.

Despite the seeming absurdity of a flower offering "protection," as in the Japanese Chrysanthemum crest, other cultures retained the same root idea. Here, for example, is a drawing of a Roman warrior's helmet.
RomanHelmet.jpg

Please do click on the image to get a better view. There is the star flower, inscribed or embossed on the helmet in all of its aspects. In fact, once the symbolism is seen in its fullness, it will be evident that there is nothing else inscribed on the helmet other than the forms of the star goddess/star flower. Even the curly locks take us back to the same power in the sky.

So again, while the symbolic objects, as things in themselves, cannot explain their explicit associations, the model will: the different symbols point to the same form, and this form is preserved as a timeless design element whose original meaning has been largely lost, but not entirely. Somehow tradition has preserved key associations that are, in fact, archetypal and must be included in the field of evidence available to us.

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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:17 pm

More specifically, does the headdress give us the “scallop shell” form of the goddess “hair”? Here is back side of the headdress:

[see original thread for image http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=13&t=358

Here we see something more, and it is no coincidence. At the base of the headdress the "rays" converge on a curious "knot," which immediately opens up additional lines of investigation--but only if one steps right back into the model. We'll take this form up when we get to warrior-king's braided beard.


Here are some relevent comparisons from the Japanese culture:

back helmet knot.jpg
back of helmet wth knot



This image demonstrates the back view with knot motif

To really put the war helmet in perspective, we'll need to take up the role of the goddess as "great protectress." It's a theme I want to explore soon. The goddess as star-flower is also the warrior's shield--and his protective "helmet." If you see this through the lens of the model, there is obviously no separating the four attributes of the goddess: star, flower, shield, helmet. Resting inside the explosive streamers of the discharging star or flower, the warrior is symbolically placed in the unassailable center; he is "protected" by the goddess, whose explosive discharge the early traditions celebrated as terrifying and inapproachable.


"each hachi had a small opening in the centre of the crown called a tehen which was itself surrounded by a ridge of metal, often ornamented. Some sources state that such an opening was because of the warrior's short pigtail which was worn upright in ancient times although other sources believe that the tehen was for ventilation."

top view.jpg
top view
top rays.jpg
top wth rays



PLEASE NOTE: Our choice to use the 28 "petals" of the full flower above was only partially arbitrary. From the global evidence you won't find any definitive agreement on the larger numbers of streamers. But 28 does appear to be a reasonable guess for a discrete phase, based on a somewhat selective citation of evidence. That number is also supported by Anthony Peratt's work, relating 28 streamers to plasma discharge experiments. In these experiments, a common pattern in high-energy radial discharge exhibits 56 streamers, which then pair up into 28. For the same reason, we've also looked at a 14-streamer discharge configuration, suggesting a secondary pairing of the 28, to match various "star flower" and "rose window" forms.


If one has access to the perrat paper that shows the experiment youll see the simiarities to the photo above.
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:39 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:In Thailand he is the arch-enemy of Nagas (serpents).
Oh, and he's big enough to block out the Sun.


Well, that sounds a bit "familiar." Ye olde "warrior + serpent" association, among other things. Possibly in a "descending" phase, wherein the "warrior / hero" (Mars, if memory serves? According to ye olde archetypical Saturn Configuration intimations...) might "grow large enough" (be close enough) to "block out the ..." Umm, ye olde primordial star (Saturn; tentatively)? Or ye new fangled "sun" (Sol/Helios; tentatively)?

Anywho... Just a thought, from my limited readings of the SC/SM (Saturn Configuration / The Saturn Myth) theory.

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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby David Talbott » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:06 pm

Another crest combining defense with the symbolic flower, this one from British Heraldry:
BritishCrest.jpg

The reconstruction offers a direct explanation: the violent discharge streamers that constituted the petals of the celestial plant of life were the protection of the warrior-hero.

I'll be adding the plant of life to the "Crown" thread soon, in order to tie down this point more explicitly. There is a reason behind the myths that the mythic warrior received his shield and other protective armor from the goddess.

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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:19 am

Just come across this from:
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/four-season/gall ... karura.jpg

karura.jpg


and this from
http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/karura.shtml
karura-painting-from-bali-1880-courtesy-wikipedia-T.v.Adiparwa.jpg


Red and green are the colours associated with Mars and Venus are they not?
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Plasmatic » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:07 am

Red and green are the colours associated with Mars and Venus are they not?


Thats my understanding as well. :) Notice the central red orb in the mouth of the first pic you posted.

Here are some citations from THE MOTHER GODDESS AND THE WARRIOR HERO:

"As such, the hat-heart is in every way identical to the "eye" of Atum or Ra -- an organ which, like the heart, reveals the ability to separate itself from the sun god and to wage war against the god's enemies. And in the case of the eye, the identity with mother goddess is strictly maintained throughout all of Egypt: every Egyptian goddess was called "the Eye of Ra."(20) Additionally -- and in language which could only add to the mystery for the translators -- the ritual texts represent the central eye as a luminous green or turquoise stone.(21) While the context is unequivocally cosmic, there is simply nothing in the appearance of our sky today to support the vivid imagery.
Further complicating the mystery is the fact that the turquoise heart-soul or eye has its own "heart" (central, interior orb), called "the heart of the heart" or "the heart of the soul." This is the ab-heart, represented by a red stone called "the heart (ab) of carnelian."(22) And most significantly this innermost, masculine "heart" will be seen to be strictly synonymous with the unborn warrior-hero, whom the religious texts declare to have been conceived in the hat-heart of the sun god. (Thus, while the god Shu is born in the hat-heart of Ra, the warrior-hero Horus is the ab en hat -- "the ab-heart of the hat-heart"(23)). Curiously, the common hieroglyph for the ab-heart is a dancing male figure, presented as a mannikin- or statue-like "little man" -- a fascinating counterpart to complementary images of the unborn warrior-hero as the pupil of the eye: for here too the child in the eye is also depicted depicted as a "little man," "form" or "statue…….


A small example might serve as a starting point: Both components of the Egyptian heart-soul were represented by stone amulets, the ab-heart being considered as a red stone, and the hat-heart appearing as a green or turquoise stone. We know also that in ancient astronomical traditions, the planets were likewise represented as stones. And though the remote specks of light we see today do not look like stones, one can appreciate that in much closer proximity to the Earth the planetary orbs might indeed have been considered as or like colored "stones." It must, therefore, be of some relevance that in ancient astrological symbolism, the planet Mars is consistently represented by red stones and the planet Venus by turquoise or green stones. In Budge's Amulets and Talismans the ancient planetary associations with stones are given thus: Mars: "red stones, e.g., ruby haematite, jasper, blood-stone." Venus: "green stones, e.g., the emerald and some kinds of sapphires."(75)


But in the case of Venus -- a planet represented by turquoise stones even in the Americas(77) -- no such explanation will work. Yet long after the religion of the ancient Egyptians had faded, the tradition of a reddish Mars lodged within a green or turquoise Venus was remembered by the alchemists, as indicated by the words of Venus in the Gemma gemmarum --
Transparent
Green
And fair to view
I am commixt of every hue
Yet in me's a Red Spirit hid
No name I know by which he's bid
And he did from my husband come
The noble Mars, full quarrelsome.(78)"
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Re: Japanese Myth...

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:42 am

Notice the central red orb in the mouth of the first pic you posted.


I had noticed it but failed to make the connection between a small red orb in the solar system and a small red orb in the mouth of the image.

Feathers = filaments in the wings on the second image?
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