Long on Theories
* LongC, and/or Matt, the TB team doesn't particularly suppress other theories, that I know of. They aren't really agreed among themselves on a single theory. That's why I started another thread on the NIAMI board, called 5 Versions of Catastrophism. There I mentioned Velikovsky's, Talbott and friends', Cardona's, Ackerman's and Gilligan's theories. I only mentioned Ackerman's theory there, because Gilligan gets much of his from Ackerman's, who got his largely from Velikovsky, as they all do partly. I mentioned Gilligan's, because he has contributed very interesting material to TPODs, which the TB team apparently finds very plausible. I think the team is attempting to amass their evidence etc, using the forum as an assist. Naturally, it's not their jobs to promote competing theories. That's our job, I mean to discuss and compare them. So I don't have a problem with anyone disagreeing with or criticizing much of anything.Comparative Mythology
* I tried to explain a bit in the opening post how the Saturn Theory developed. The TB team uses comparative mythology as the best means to understand ancient myths (Gilligan is not part of the team, by the way, but is a member of this forum). Comparative mythology looks for common themes in all or most of the world's ancient myths. Talbott explained the process as similar to competent police investigations. If you have a dozen or a hundred witness reports, even though many are unreliable, you can still determine fairly well what probably happened in the event that was witnessed. If the common themes of myths were very few and rather dissimilar, it would be likely that the witnesses did not see the same event. But ancient myths have many aspects that are nearly identical worldwide, so that makes it likely that most of the witnesses saw the same events, though of course from different visual perspectives.Thoth Newsletter & TPODs
* The Universal Monarch was the main common theme, which turned out to be identified with Saturn, though later generations switched to calling it the Sun, because Saturn eventually departed and the Sun became the dominant feature of the new order. This material was discussed in the Thoth email newsletter about ten years ago. That led to the TPODs, which then led to this forum. Thoth is available at http://thoth2.webs.com
and may also be somewhere at http://saturniancosmology.org
. Another common theme was the world mountain, tree, altar, axle etc, which apparently was based on the plasma polar column. The female comet dragon goddess was Venus. And the warrior hero was Mars. There was also the great deep in the sky, which was called an ocean, which Saturn seemed to occupy. The four rivers of fire and water, the wheel, the swastika, the stairway to heaven, or the bridge to heaven, animals on the stairway, etc. were some of the other common themes. Some of the TPODs discuss many of these. See http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Mythology
. Also see the section on Rock Art etc.Earlier Work
* Of course, Velikovsky was the pioneer of this whole field of Catastrophism. But it would have died out, if not for Talbott's Pensee' magazine in the early 70s, SIS Review in Britain, Kronos after Pensee', Aeon and several other periodicals, as well as several books, like The Velikovsky Affair in 1967, I think. There must have been close to a hundred or more scientists and scholars involved in writing articles for all of those publications. So this website is the culmination of a lot of good, scholarly research and debate. It's not an amateurish occurrence. It's just that most of us posting messages here are amateurs, so we tend to make it look a bit amateurish. But amateurs are important too in the EU phenomenon. And, as Nick said, the local version of EU was entirely dependent on Catastrophism, which involved and still involves comparative mythology.Proof
You said: won't Saturnian cosmology have to prove Saturn was a "successful" brown dwarf?
Then, won't it have to show that Earth was a satellite of Saturn? How can anyone do this?
* Those are the kinds of things "we" are proving in many ways one little piece at a time. Cardona, Thornhill, Talbott, Cochrane, Gilligan, Scott, Peratt and others are contributing to such proof. This thread, like others, might help find some of the proof. Each planet, star, moon etc may have its own unique fingerprint, or DNA-like blueprint, so, as the constituents of each body are discovered, it's likely that this will tell us what came from where. I think Cardona found that Saturn has more similarities to stars of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy, than to those of the Milky Way, so he thinks Saturn came from there. The Sun may also have come from there, but I think he said that's less certain.Velikovsky's Saturn Theory
I said initially: Velikovsky also thought that Earth was a moon of Saturn and initially intended to discuss that in the first part of his 1950 book, Worlds in Collision. But the publisher suggested writing a second book about it later, which he never did.
* Although he never wrote the book, he did apparently publish some articles about his Saturn Theory from his original Worlds in Collision manuscript. Michael S pointed out above that his version is available at http://www.varchive.org/itb/index.htm
. I haven't read much of that yet, but some of that material looks familiar, possibly from Kronos magazine. The site doesn't seem to say where any of the material was ever published.