Coldest and Oldest new stars found only 100 light years away

[quantauniverse]

Kilic of OU college has found two dead white dwarf binary stars only 100 light years from earth, that they determined are 11 and 12 billion years old, based entirely on their temperature. Kilic says "a white dwarf star is like a hot stove, once shut off it cools slowly over time. By measuring how cool the temperature is, we can tell how long it has been shut off or died. These two white dwarfs WD 0346+246 and J110217.48+411315.4 have been dead and are still cooling off almost for the entire history of the universe." The missing fact is that as stars get even older then the age of the big-bang, they will become near absolute zero, and emit no radiation and be undetectable. The age of the universe is being determined by the ages of detectable stars. It would require an extraordinary coincidence for the oldest and coldest known stars to be only 100 LY away from earth. Far more likely is that undetectable ancient dead stars near absolute zero are most common in the universe at ages even older then say 200 billion years. These findings show the big-bang is not true, yet funded projects for salaries always purport a conclusion consistent with the big-bang.
http://phys.org/news/2012-04-astronomer ... stars.html
http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com/2 ... -from.html

[katesisco]

So the oldest star material means I can go back to expanding/contracting universe that is my favorite?

[nick c]

When and if mainstream astronomers discover stars older than the BB it will not be a problem, they will simply adjust the age of the BB accordingly.
However, the reality of the situation is that there presently is no way of knowing the age of stars, white dwarf or otherwise. In the Electric Star model the age of a star cannot be determined by its' position on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram - which should be considered to be a description of a stars' electrical state.
http://electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm

The Hertzsprung-RussellDiagram
In the HR diagram, as it is usually presented, the vertical axis is labeled with two scales: Absolute Magnitude (linear scale from about 18th magnitude at the bottom running up to perhaps -8 or so at the top), and Luminosity x Sun (log scale with 0.00001 at the bottom running up to 100,000 at the top). The horizontal axis also is labeled with several scales: Spectral Class - left to right: O and B [blue], A [white], F [yellow], G [yellow-orange], K [orange], M [red]).
Another horizontal axis scale - Absolute Temperature, also runs from left to right (from around 20,000 K down to 3000 K) corresponding to the (decreasing!) black-body temperature of those spectral classes. [As an engineer, I object to plotting increasing temperature from right to left! But such is the convention of astronomers. We will live with it.] A single given star defines a single point on this plot. A web search for the topic "Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram" will yield many different renderings of the HR plot.

Our Sun, being a fairly typical star, falls almost at the center of the diagram (at Luminosity = 1 and Absolute magnitude. = 5, Spectral Class G, and (photospheric) Temp. = 6,000K). The points on the plot seem to group nicely, generally forming a long, slightly diffuse line, that snakes from the upper left down toward the lower right. The line falls very steeply at the lower right end. There are two other less populated clouds of points: one group at the upper right and another one strung out across the bottom of the plot from a concentration in the lower left of the diagram.

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Stellar Evolution
Mainstream astronomy attempts to describe how stars 'age' (run out of nuclear fuel) and slowly migrate, taking hundreds of thousands of years to do so, tracing paths from one location on the HR diagram to another (the star going from one spectral class to another). The paths that stars 'must take' are, of course, completely predicated on the assumption that stars are fueled by the various stages of nuclear fusion of the lightest elements.

The ES model does not make that assumption. Humans have not been around long enough to actually observe any stars making the predicted slow migrations from one place on the HR diagram to another. So, at present, slow "stellar evolution" is another one of those complicated theoretical constructs that live brightly in the minds of astrophysicists without any observational evidence of their actual existence.
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White Dwarfs
Similarly, the group in the lower left hand corner have very low absolute luminosity but are extremely hot. The ES model simply explains them as being very small stars that are experiencing very high current densities. These are the "white dwarfs." Although most of them are concentrated in the lower-left corner of the diagram, the white dwarf group actually extends thinly across the bottom of the diagram. Thus the name white dwarf is a kind of misnomer. The shape of this thin grouping begins to drop off steeply at its (cooler) right end much as the main sequence does.
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Electric Star Evolution
In the Electric Star hypothesis, there is no reason to attribute youth to one spectral type over another. We conclude that a star's location on the HR diagram only depends on its size and the electric current density it is presently experiencing. If, for whatever reason, the strength of that current density should change, then the star will change its position on the HR diagram - perhaps, like FG Sagittae, abruptly. Otherwise, no movement from one place to another on that plot is to be expected. And its age remains indeterminate regardless of its mass or spectral type. This is disquieting in the sense that we are now confronted by the knowledge that our own Sun's future is not as certain as is predicted by mainstream astronomy. We cannot know whether the Birkeland current presently powering our Sun will increase or decrease, nor how long it will be before it does so.
Summary
A fresh look at the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram, unencumbered by the assumption that all stars must be internally powered by the thermonuclear fusion reaction, reveals an elegant correspondence between this plot and the Electric Star model proposed by Ralph Juergens and extended by Earl Milton. In fact the correspondence is better than it is with the standard thermonuclear model. The details in the shape of the HR diagram are exactly what the tufted electric star model predicts they should be. The observed actions of nova-like variable stars, pulsars, the anomalies in the line spectra of B-type stars, and the high frequency of occurrence of binary pairs of stars are all in concordance with Thornhill's Electrical Universe theory, his stellar fissioning concept, and the Electric Star model as well. Completely mysterious and unexplained from the thermonuclear model point of view is the 'impossible' evolutionary behavior of FG Sagittae and V838 Monocerotis. Yet these phenomena are perfectly understandable using the ES model. We eagerly await NASA's next 'mysterious discovery' to further strengthen the case for the Electric Star hypothesis.

[jjohnson]

After seeing Wal's revered H-R diagram some years back, I undertook to make a more rationalized version, with log-log relationships and a superimposed set of visible colors. Colors of stars is a difficult subject, as the intensity of a star "up close" is so great that it will tend to override the color sensation ability of the eye and just look "bright white". Anyway,I placed the approximate coloration of stars as the background color of the plot, and also showed the visible spectrum as a function of the peak wavelength (most energy) of stars of different temperatures.

It is not yet possible to quantitatively describe the current density at a star's surface; the EU can only say that it is greater for "hot" stars than for cool ones. There are several layers to a stellar atmosphere. Which one determines the star's temperature as observed far away at Earth? The photosphere? The chromosphere? The corona? Not only that, but the plasma temperature across the face of a star also varies widely, from the cool central star-spot umbra to spicules and granules and prominences and arcade loops and the occasional CME. It's a complex picture to piece together from a couple of pixels on a telescope or bolometer from a source many light years away. Stars temperature profiles are very close to blackbody radiators, but the effects of intervening gas, stellar output variability at different wavelengths, inexact distance knowledge and other factors make the knowledge of stellar temperatures have larger error bars than one would like. In my judgment, we will need to get a far better and more quantitative picture of the electrical environment as well as the output of our own Sun before we can extrapolate intelligently to stars in general.

Jim

[Goldminer]

Beautiful! Excellent job, James! Does Michael Armstrong sell a wall chart version?

[quantauniverse]

Big-bang cosmologists error in assuming that only H and He first formed, with traces of lithium. So all stars without metals formed first. Our sun, determined entirely by the % metallic composition, is a 3rd or 4th generation star. The total numbers of stars spectrum that have been spectroscopically analyzed is only in the tens of thousands. Astronomers found a freakish star not believed unique, there are others like it nearby to study in the future. http://sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110831155340.htm
The freakish star is entirely H, He, and calcium, with no lithium, and no metals, and it should have 50 times more lithium since it has to be a very old star. They cannot explain it. If they make the stars 17 billion years old, then the phony dark energy expansion rate, or cosmological constant, does not fit the age of the universe, requiring another change of their untrustworthy numbers. Most likely dead black dwarfs proliferate the universe, and remain undetectable. Scientists have only discovered 11 believed roque planets, but believe there are 100,000 times more roque planets than stars. These roque planets must have been born with dead black dwarfs, that remain theoretical. This is logical and been my own reflections on electric universe facts, not eu theory.

[jjohnson]

Thank you, Goldminer. The image hasn't been put up for sale or distributed as I simply did it for my own summary from several sources, EU and other. It's part of my exercises in synthesis, and graphics help me "visualize" stuff more holistically. That's both part of human nature and partly my architecture education, where visual design and manipulation to create built structures is paramount in the eyes of architects. You can probably get an e-mail to me via this site, and if you include yours in it I'd be glad to send you a .jpg image (about 344 kb). If more are requested I'll talk to Michael at Mikimar and see if he'd be interested. In that case I'd probably ask someone higher up with a better scientific background than mine to vett it.

Jim