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Earth - Telluric Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 pm

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Earth (Telluric) Currents: was Electric Australia Reply with quote
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Perhaps old news to some, seeing that it's from a 1991 article. Too bad they didn't bring along an electrical engineer or two to provide some circuit analysis. 8-)

March 30, 1991 Issue of New Scientist, pg 10 wrote:
Underground current electrifies Australia
30 March 1991

Underground current in Australia

The world's longest natural electric current has been discovered under Australia. The current passes through sedimentary rocks for more than 6000 kilometres across the Australian outback. Its nearest rival, some 2000 kilometres shorter, is a current running from Wyoming into Canada in North America.

Francois Chamalaun from Flinders University, who discovered the current, says that similar currents may exist under other continents. They could have been formed as the land masses collided hundreds of millions of years ago. According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.

In the most extensive geomagnetic survey carried out in Australia, the Bureau of Mineral Resources placed an array of 54 highly sensitive magnetometers in a grid across Australia. The instruments detected a weak electrical current between 15 and 45 kilometres below the surface. The width of the current varies between 50 and 200 kilometres.

The current runs from the continental shelf off Broome in the far northwest of Western Australia, down into the north of South Australia, and then up through Queensland into the Gulf of Carpentaria. A side branch of the main current runs from near Birdsville in South Australia, through the Flinders Ranges, and into Spencer Gulf near Adelaide.

The current runs along fracture zones in sedimentary basins. The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided, contain alkaline fluids which conduct electricity well. The current is extremely weak. It would not provide enough power to light a lamp. But if the current was involved with the formation of the ancient sedimentary basins, as scientists believe, it may provide clues to deposits of oil and gas. It may also help to explain the geological origins of the Australian continent.

From issue 1762 of New Scientist magazine, 30 March 1991, page Page10

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... alia-.html
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:41 pm

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Physcial evidence of a Plasma Discharge event? Reply with quote
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Superb find there :) This is bit long, so much more could be said, but I think it is worth it and I hope it shows the EU Theory is on the right path as we can use it to predict what we expect to find. We may also be able to solve a puzzle that can not be explained by mainstream science and further our cause. The is delightfully called the “Morning Glory cloud”.

If we suspect that this electrical current is following the path of a past Plasma Discharge Event(s) then we would hope to see tell tale signs. This would have changed the land where “The current runs along fracture zones in sedimentary basins. The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided”

It starts (or ends) at Broome which is a semi circular bay with lots of lichtenberg rivers coming off it, into a wide wadi cut into the landscape. At the top of the Wadi you see it moving off into the outback.

The current then goes down to the North of South Australia which would mean passing through Ayers Rock Area/Olgas. On the its path is Piccaninny, an impact crater.
The current then goes down into the north of SA where we find Coober Pedy, lakes and the Breakaways including "Salt and Pepper". If these are natural then please can a Geologist explain them.

Coober Pedy is famous for its Opals which are found just under the surface, like most precious Gemstones. The Opals (Diamonds, Gold, Coal etc.) have been created by an immense Plasma Dishcharge (Electrical Current) passing through the area.

It then goes up to the Gulf of Carpentaria. This has all the hallmarks of a PDE and quoting Wiki "The Gulf of Carpentaria is a large , shallow sea enclosed on three sides .... In geological terms, the Gulf is young - it was dry land as recently as the last ice age." The shallowness, I suspect, means it has been machined away like an impact crater and is it a Red Herring about it being dry before the last Ice Age? Do the Abos have any stories about its creation? Wiki says this "The end of the ice age was quite abrupt according to Aboriginal legends which talk of fish falling from the sky and tsunamis."

Near the Gulf of Carpentaria we find the 100km2 Riversleigh Fossil beds. These are found in the limestone and in caves. The area is also famous for its minerals and I think there is an "impact crater" in that area?

The other other branch mention goes from Birdsville through the Finders Range

Wilpena_Aerial_8am_6478_gg.jpg



If we need proof though there is always Wilpena Pound and also its gap. Just look at this photo http://www.livingtravel.com and it says "the Pound is sedimentary rock in the form of a large syncline, with the fold axis running NNW-SSE through Edeowie Gorge at the northern end and Rawnsley Bluff at the southern end." I guess that is roughly along the line of the current? Again we find fossils and everything we expect to see.
http://www.livingtravel.com/australia/s ... eneral.htm also shows immense images of the Pound, so much there.


The question I have about the Plasma Discharge that caused this is did it start at the Gulf of Carpentaria then split off into 2 parts, one going to Adelaide and the other to Broome, or, was it 2 that joined up and went the other way?

On a personal note my main memory of Broome was getting a crate of beers, getting ourselves well drunk and hot before jumping in the crystal clear sea to cool off. Only problem was that the sea seemed hotter than being on the beach! Another few stubbies solved that.
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:46 pm

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Morning Glory cloud Reply with quote
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Wiki states
“A Morning Glory cloud is a roll cloud that can be up to 1000 kilometers long, 1 to 2 kilometers high, and can move at speeds up to 40 kilometers per hour. The morning glory is often accompanied by sudden wind squalls, intense low-level wind shear, a rapid increase in the vertical displacement of air parcels, and a sharp pressure jump at the surface. In the front of the cloud, there is strong vertical motion that transports air up through the cloud and creates the rolling appearance, while the air in the middle and rear of the cloud becomes turbulent and sinks.

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Causes
Despite being studied extensively, the Morning Glory cloud is not clearly understood. Regardless of the complexity behind the nature of this atmospheric phenomenon, some conclusions have been made about the causes of the cloud. Through research, one of the main causes of most Morning Glory occurrences are due to the mesoscale circulations associated with sea breezes that develop over the peninsula and the gulf. On the large scale, Morning Glories are usually associated with frontal systems crossing central Australia and high pressure in northern Australia. Locals have noted that conditions ripe for the formation of the Morning Glory is for high humidity in the area, which provides moisture for the cloud to form and for strong sea breeze winds to be blowing the day before.”

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Could this be partly caused by the great Australian current that @rc-us found?

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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: Oil and Gas finite or infinite Reply with quote
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“But if the current was involved with the formation of the ancient sedimentary basins, as scientists believe, it may provide clues to deposits of oil and gas.”

If we suspect that Oil and Gas was formed by a Plasma Discharge or is still being created by the Earth and is an Electric phenomenon does this help that idea? I noticed on Google Earth that there were wells between Broome and Ayers Rock.
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:48 pm

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According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.


I am not an EE, but is this symptomatic of the "wrong" thinking of mainstream?
Aren't magnetic fields created by electric currents, not vice-versa?
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:50 pm

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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Couple of things:

1) For any metrically-challenged Americans like me, 6000km = 3728.x miles! That's one lengthy circuit path, relatively speaking. Smile The one in North America they mention running from Wyoming (wonder if it's anywhere near Yellowstone?) being a couple thousand km shorter would still be a current path of around 2485 miles. Their stated width of 50km and 200km is about 31 miles and 124 miles, respectively. Depth of 15km and 45km about 9.3 miles and 28 miles, respectively.

2) Re: the statement that, "The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided, contain alkaline fluids which conduct electricity well." (emphasis mine), I don't know how accurate that is but it reminded me of recent information about Lake Untersee of the Antarctic, as well as the ocean floor methane vents and literally thousands of oceanic volcanoes scattered throughout the Earth (which, as an aside I wonder if these might be related to the "Rogue Waves" I posted about in the Mad Ideas section). Anyways, with regard to Lake Untersee:

PHYSORG.COM wrote:"Antarctica's Lake Untersee, fed by glaciers, always covered with ice, and very alkaline, is one of the most unusual lakes on Earth. The upper 70 meters (229.66 feet - @rc-us) of lakewater is so alkaline "its pH is like strong CloroxTM," says expedition leader Richard Hoover of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. "And to make it even more interesting, the lake's sediments produce more methane than any other natural body of water on our planet."

http://www.physorg.com/news121697053.html: (the hyphen at the end is included in the original url)



Just curious as to how the above may relate to the Electrical Earth. The southern aurora current sheet kinda comes to mind with regard to Lake Untersee.
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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Australia's Big Three

Discusses Uluru, Mt. Conner and Kata Tjuta.

Electric Caverns

Mentions Jenolan Caverns.
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:59 pm

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Morning Glory cloud Reply with quote
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Axis Monday wrote:<snip>
Could this be partly caused by the great Australian current that @rc-us found?


Great pics of the Morning Glories, AM. Never heard that term applied to clouds before. They reminded me of Kelvin-Helmholtz Instabilities. Here's a couple pics of them over the Antarctic region, near Mt Erebus and Mt Terror.

antarctic_kelvin-helmholtz_instabilities1.jpg



antarctic_kelvin-helmholtz_instabilities2.jpg



The braided-rope appearance calls to mind Birkeland Currents, as does the lower pic you posted. Wonder if the Morning Glories are Kelvin-Helmholtz Instabilities are Birkeland currents?

The Antarctic images above were cropped from the large original at http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/real ... 0.500m.jpg

Oh yeah, speaking of Antarctic (Mt Erebus/Mt Terror) and oceanic volcanoes (earlier), ran across this 2004 MSNBC article:

LINK: Underwater Antarctic volcano found: Research ship documents apparently fresh lava flow
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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Axis Monday wrote:“But if the current was involved with the formation of the ancient sedimentary basins, as scientists believe, it may provide clues to deposits of oil and gas.”

If we suspect that Oil and Gas was formed by a Plasma Discharge or is still being created by the Earth and is an Electric phenomenon does this help that idea? I noticed on Google Earth that there were wells between Broome and Ayers Rock.


Sounds helpful to me. :D There was some discussion of this in another thread somewhere but I don't recall which one and am short on time at the moment to search for it.
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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nick c wrote:.
According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.


I am not an EE, but is this symptomatic of the "wrong" thinking of mainstream?
Aren't magnetic fields created by electric currents, not vice-versa?


Me neither, Nick. But sounds like the chicken-or-the-egg trick question to me. Very Happy I'm satisfied without assigning a perceived cause-and-effect relationship since I see them as mutually co-arising together. Kinda like pizza-and-beer or doughnuts-and-coffee (yo, Dave!). :lol:
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:04 pm

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@rc-us wrote:Perhaps old news to some, seeing that it's from a 1991 article. Too bad they didn't bring along an electrical engineer or two to provide some circuit analysis. 8-)

March 30, 1991 Issue of New Scientist, pg 10 wrote:
Underground current electrifies Australia
30 March 1991

Underground current in Australia

The world's longest natural electric current has been discovered under Australia. The current passes through sedimentary rocks for more than 6000 kilometres across the Australian outback. Its nearest rival, some 2000 kilometres shorter, is a current running from Wyoming into Canada in North America.

Francois Chamalaun from Flinders University, who discovered the current, says that similar currents may exist under other continents. They could have been formed as the land masses collided hundreds of millions of years ago. According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.

In the most extensive geomagnetic survey carried out in Australia, the Bureau of Mineral Resources placed an array of 54 highly sensitive magnetometers in a grid across Australia. The instruments detected a weak electrical current between 15 and 45 kilometres below the surface. The width of the current varies between 50 and 200 kilometres.

The current runs from the continental shelf off Broome in the far northwest of Western Australia, down into the north of South Australia, and then up through Queensland into the Gulf of Carpentaria. A side branch of the main current runs from near Birdsville in South Australia, through the Flinders Ranges, and into Spencer Gulf near Adelaide.

The current runs along fracture zones in sedimentary basins. The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided, contain alkaline fluids which conduct electricity well. The current is extremely weak. It would not provide enough power to light a lamp. But if the current was involved with the formation of the ancient sedimentary basins, as scientists believe, it may provide clues to deposits of oil and gas. It may also help to explain the geological origins of the Australian continent.

From issue 1762 of New Scientist magazine, 30 March 1991, page Page10

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... alia-.html



Geez, I'm sick for a couple days, and the world goes and changes... Well, okay, maybe not. But I'm glad others can fill in with interesting stuff. w00t! (as it were...)

A very interesting bit.

I'd be interested in knowing if there are other articles specifically relating to underground currents. I'm interested in at least hearing about every bit of to-date mapped electrical circuitry of the planet. It seems to me that these underground circuits are a major player in the overall scheme of things. Insofar as they shouldn't be underestimated.

Keeping in mind that several TPODs have intimated that the atmosphere and the Earth act as opposite plates in a leaky capacitor (which occasionally breaks down).

Currents in one plate can induce currents in the other... Just shows to go ya': "don't count out the electrical interpretation." Especially when they seem to be finding subterranean [electric] currents!

So, like I said, any decent articles / news stories that treat the large current in the USA region? Elsewhere?

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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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nick c wrote:
According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.


I am not an EE, but is this symptomatic of the "wrong" thinking of mainstream?


No. The article was not well written. The writer had all the pieces but failed to keep them together. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a conductor. Unfortunatgely, the conductor didn't get mentioned in the same paragraph with "Earth's ever-changing magnetic field"; the required conductor didn't get mentioned until the last paragraph:
. . . The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided, contain alkaline fluids which conduct electricity well. . .



nick c wrote:
Aren't magnetic fields created by electric currents, not vice-versa?


Yes, electric currents create magnetic fields. In effect, all magnetic fields are created by moving electric charges, ie electric currents. However, magnetic fields CAN generate electric currents, but only in conductors and only when the conductors and the magnetic fields are moving in relationship to each other.

I hope that answers your questions.

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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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DustyDevil wrote:
nick c wrote:
According to Chamalaun, the current is induced by the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field.


I am not an EE, but is this symptomatic of the "wrong" thinking of mainstream?


No. The article was not well written. The writer had all the pieces but failed to keep them together. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a conductor. Unfortunatgely, the conductor didn't get mentioned in the same paragraph with "Earth's ever-changing magnetic field"; the required conductor didn't get mentioned until the last paragraph:
. . . The fracture zones, which formed as ancient plates of the Earth's crust collided, contain alkaline fluids which conduct electricity well. . .



nick c wrote:
Aren't magnetic fields created by electric currents, not vice-versa?



Yes, electric currents create magnetic fields. In effect, all magnetic fields are created by moving electric charges, ie electric currents. However, magnetic fields CAN generate electric currents, but only in conductors and only when the conductors and the magnetic fields are moving in relationship to each other.

I hope that answers your questions.

DD



Yes, that sounds about right.

Electricity and magnetism are flip sides of the same coin. Where one goeth, so the other.

The process is in some regards "reversible."

The typical example, if I recall correctly, is that if you run a current through a coil of [conductive] copper wire, a dynamic magnetic field is generated. However, if you put a magnet in the same coil of copper wire and rotate it, so you get a changing magnetic field affecting the coil of wire, an electric current is produced in the wire.

It cuts both ways.

Current through conductive coil of wire -> electrically generated magnetic field.

Dynamics magnetic field created by moving magnet in conductive coil of wire -> magnetically generated electric current in the wire.

It's where astronomers try to divorce the one from the other and treat each as a separate entity that they run into problems. That's where the notion of "magnetic reconnection" comes from. They seem to want to treat the magnetic field as though nothing was required to create or sustain it. Not so. Electric currents in the plasmas of space, etc. are required to create / maintain the magnetic field. Likewise, the magnetic field's effect might be to induce electric currents in the plasma. And the mechanisms can interplay such that they reinforce each other, or disrupt each other (on the whole). Z-pinch, I think, come from a reinforcement. Current produces magnetic field, which constricts the flow, might speed it up or change its direction, increasing the magnetic field again, and so on, until you get this funky pinching effect going on, and a spark of highly constricted flowing plasma. Until the imbalance leading to the current is neutralized, or the current flow is otherwise interrupted?

Hopefully the above descriptions aren't too far off the map... If so, maybe folks can correct me. :)

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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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DustyDevil:
Thanks for the clarification 8-)
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Re: Recovered: Earth (Telluric) Currents

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Or, one could think about it like the wires being a slightly permeable pipe, and the electrons being the water in the pipe.

In the absence of some outside force acting on the water (electric fluid, whatever you want to call it), it will tend to sit there with its constituent parts (water molecules, or electrons in the electric wire model) in kind of a fixed random motion without a net forward or backward motion.

But, when the magnetic field sweeps through, it catches up the electrons, and pushes them forward through the wire (or makes the water flow in the pipe analogy).

In the wire analogy. The atoms (protons / neutrons in the nuclei) are relatively fixed in place, but the charge carriers (electrons) are mobile. So, the magnetic field causes the mobile charge carriers to move in a coherent, similar direction. That collective coherent motion of the electrons constitutes the current.

The reverse of that would be where the electrons are caused to flow, through some mechanism (voltage drop, battery's "charge separated" cells, etc.), and the magnetic field is generated by that flow of charged particles.

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