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12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:58 pm

I believe the 12 Vectors of the VE are the reason for the
12 Leverage Points of Society and Systems Change.

Its time to learn these 12 Leverage Points.

12 Leverage points to intervene in a system (in increasing order of effectiveness)
1.1 12. Constants, parameters, numbers (such as subsidies, taxes, standards)
1.2 11. The size of buffers and other stabilizing stocks, relative to their flows
1.3 10. The structure of material stocks and flows (such as transport network, population age structures)
1.4 9. The length of delays, relative to the rate of system changes
1.5 8. The strength of negative feedback loops, relative to the effect they are trying to correct against
1.6 7. The gain around driving positive feedback loops
1.7 6. The structure of information flow (who does and does not have access to what kinds of information)
1.8 5. The rules of the system (such as incentives, punishment, constraints)
1.9 4. The power to add, change, evolve, or self-organize system structure
1.10 3. The goal of the system
1.11 2. The mindset or paradigm that the system — its goals, structure, rules, delays, parameters — arises out of
1.12 1. The power to transcend paradigms
The twelve leverage points to intervene in a system were proposed by Donella Meadows, a scientist and system analyst focused on environmental limits to economic growth. The leverage points, first published in 1997, were inspired by her attendance at a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) meeting in the early 1990s where she realized that a very large new system was being proposed but the mechanisms to manage it were ineffective.

Meadows, who worked in the field of systems analysis, proposed a scale of places to intervene in a system. Awareness and manipulation of these levers is an aspect of self-organization and can lead to collective intelligence.

Her observations are often cited in energy economics, green economics and human development theory.

She started with the observation that there are levers, or places within a complex system (such as a firm, a city, an economy, a living being, an ecosystem, an ecoregion) where a "small shift in one thing can produce big changes in everything" (compare: constraint in the sense of Theory of Constraints).

She claimed we need to know about these shifts, where they are and how to use them. She said most people know where these points are instinctively, but tend to adjust them in the wrong direction. This understanding would help solve global problems such as unemployment, hunger, economic stagnation, pollution, resources depletion, and conservation issues.

Meadows started with a 9-point list of such places, and expanded it to a list of twelve leverage points with explanation and examples, for systems in general.

She describes a system as being in a certain state, and containing a stock, with inflows (amounts coming into the system) and outflows (amounts going out of the system). At a given time, the system is in a certain perceived state. There may also be a goal for the system to be in a certain state. The difference between the current state and the goal is the discrepancy.

For example, one might consider a lake or reservoir, which contains a certain amount of water. The inflows are the amount of water coming from rivers, rainfall, drainage from nearby soils, and waste water from a local industrial plant. The outflows might be the amount of water used up for irrigation of nearby cornfield, water taken by that local plant to operate as well as the local camping site, water evaporating in the atmosphere, and trickling surplus water when the reservoir is full.

Local inhabitants complain about the water level getting low, pollution getting higher, and the potential effect of hot water release in the lake on life (in particular, the fish).

This is the difference between the perceived state (pollution or low water level) and the goal (a non-polluted lake).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donella_Me ... n_a_system
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:02 pm

Leverage points to intervene in a system (in increasing order of effectiveness)

12. Constants, parameters, numbers (such as subsidies, taxes, standards)
Parameters are points of lowest leverage effects. Though they are the most clearly perceived among all leverages, they rarely change behaviors and therefore have little long-term effect.

For example, climate parameters may not be changed easily (the amount of rain, the evapotranspiration rate, the temperature of the water), but they are the ones people think of first (they remember that in their youth, it was certainly raining more). These parameters are indeed very important. But even if changed (improvement of upper river stream to canalize incoming water), they will not change behavior much (the debit will probably not dramatically increase).

11. The size of buffers and other stabilizing stocks, relative to their flows
A buffer's ability to stabilize a system is important when the stock amount is much higher than the potential amount of inflows or outflows. In the lake, the water is the buffer: if there's a lot more of it than inflow/outflow, the system stays stable.

For example, the inhabitants are worried the lake fish might die as a consequence of hot water release directly in the lake without any previous cooling off.

However, the water in the lake has a large heat capacity, so it's a strong thermic buffer. Provided the release is done at low enough depth, under the thermocline, and the lake volume is big enough, the buffering capacity of the water might prevent any extinction from excess temperature.
Buffers can improve a system, but they are often physical entities whose size is critical and can't be changed easily.


10. The structure of material stocks and flows (such as transport network, population age structures)
A system's structure may have enormous effect on operations, but may be difficult or prohibitively expensive to change. Fluctuations, limitations, and bottlenecks may be easier to address.

For example, the inhabitants are worried about their lake getting polluted, as the industry releases chemicals pollutants directly in the water without any previous treatment. The system might need the used water to be diverted to a waste water treatment plant, but this requires rebuilding the underground used water system (which could be quite expensive).

9. The length of delays, relative to the rate of system changes
Information received too quickly or too late can cause over- or underreaction, even oscillations.

For example, the city council is considering building the waste water treatment plant. However, the plant will take 5 years to be built, and will last about 30 years. The first delay will prevent the water being cleaned up within the first 5 years, while the second delay will make it impossible to build a plant with exactly the right capacity.

8. The strength of negative feedback loops, relative to the effect they are trying to correct against
A negative feedback loop slows down a process, tending to promote stability (stagnation). The loop will keep the stock near the goal, thanks to parameters, accuracy and speed of information feedback, and size of correcting flows.

For example, one way to avoid the lake getting more and more polluted might be through setting up an additional tax, relative to the amount and the degree of the water released by the industrial plant. The tax might lead the industry to reduce its releases.

7. The gain around driving positive feedback loops
A positive feedback loop speeds up a process. Meadows indicates that in most cases, it is preferable to slow down a positive loop, rather than speeding up a negative one.

The eutrophication of a lake is a typical feedback loop that goes wild. In a eutrophic lake (which means well-nourished), lots of life can be supported (fish included).

An increase of nutrients will lead to an increase of productivity, growth of phytoplankton first, using up as much nutrients as possible, followed by growth of zooplankton, feeding up on the first ones, and increase of fish populations. The more nutrients available there is, the more productivity is increased. As plankton organisms die, they fall at the bottom of the lake, where their matter is degraded by decomposers.

However, this degradation uses up available oxygen, and in the presence of huge amounts of organic matter to degrade, the medium progressively becomes anoxic (there is no more oxygen available). Upon time, all oxygen-dependent life dies, and the lake becomes a smelly anoxic place where no life can be supported (in particular no fish).

6. The structure of information flow (who does and does not have access to what kinds of information)
Information flow is neither a parameter, nor a reinforcing or slowing loop, but a loop that delivers new information. It is cheaper and easier than changing structure.

For example, a monthly public report of water pollution level, especially nearby the industrial release, could have a lot of effect on people's opinions regarding the industry, and lead to changes in the waste water level of pollution.

5. The rules of the system (such as incentives, punishment, constraints)
Pay attention to rules, and to who makes them.

For example, a strengthening of the law related to chemicals release limits, or an increase of the tax amount for any water containing a given pollutant, will have a very strong effect on the lake water quality.

4. The power to add, change, evolve, or self-organize system structure
Self-organization describes a system's ability to change itself by creating new structures, adding new negative and positive feedback loops, promoting new information flows, or making new rules.

For example, microorganisms have the ability to not only change to fit their new polluted environment, but also to undergo an evolution that make them able to biodegrade or bioaccumulate chemical pollutants. This capacity of part of the system to participate to its own eco-evolution is a major leverage for change

3. The goal of the system
Changes every item listed above: parameters, feedback loops, information and self-organisation.

A city council decision might be to change the goal of the lake from making it a free facility for public and private global use, to a more touristic oriented facility or a conservation area. That goal change will effect several of the above leverages : information on water quality will become mandatory and legal punishments will be set for any illegal polluted effluent.

2. The mindset or paradigm that the system — its goals, structure, rules, delays, parameters — arises out of
A society paradigm is an idea, an unstated assumption that everyone shares, thoughts, or states of thoughts that are sources of systems. Paradigms are very hard to change, but there are no limits to paradigm change. Meadows indicates paradigms might be changed by repeatedly and consistently pointing out anomalies and failures to those with open minds.

A current paradigm is "Nature is a stock of resources to be converted to human purpose". What might happen to the lake were this collective idea changed ?

1. The power to transcend paradigms
Transcending paradigms may go beyond challenging fundamental assumptions, into the realm of changing the values and priorities that lead to the assumptions, and being able to choose among value sets at will.

Many today see Nature as a stock of resources to be converted to human purpose. Many Native Americans see Nature as a living god, to be loved, worshipped, and lived with. These views are incompatible, but perhaps another viewpoint could incorporate them both, along with others.
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:45 pm

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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by Grey Cloud » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:38 am

Hi JL,
If you are going to learn the Jitterbug you will need an instructor. May I recommend the Lord Shiva:
The four arms are optional
The four arms are optional
'You put your left leg in.....'
Hmmn, just noticed that there are eight flames down each side plus one at top and bottom giving 18 (=9). Now there's a coincidence :roll:
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:13 pm

We all know there are no coincidences, especially when it comes to Sacred Geometry.
:D

The Next Level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gO4y8sbky4
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

Everything is Code. A volcabulary with very defined rules.
There like Tinker Toys....Zome.
Once you know the Rules of Connectivity, The 12 points of Leverage, You can do it all.
You can sit down like a child and begin to put these things together.
If you know the Code that is hidden in PHI, then you will be a child again.
I suggest everyone get a Zome kit. This has the Code and its Rules within it.
It is a PHI System. All cycles are built from PHI.
They grow from the Vector Equilbrium 12 points of the Leverage Vector Matrix.
The Numbers 1-9 are all you need with your Zome kit.
The universe will then show its Structures to you.
It is the Key to the Code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regular_polytopes
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:10 pm

Leverage Level 6: Classified Knowledge and Technology.
Coast to Coast tonight.
:D

Nobel laureate and Physics Professor Robert B. Laughlin will discuss the negative impact of extensive sequestering of knowledge that is taking place. The crime of reason.
:evil:

Check his web page.
http://large.stanford.edu/
Department of Physics
Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
Authorized Excerpt
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When we are young, we learn that knowledge is a beautiful, logical thing that anyone can use as he likes - provided, of course, he has the patience to read and think. This idea partly comes from parents, who never tire of inventing reasons for us to study more, excel in exams, and so forth, but it's also something we usually conclude on our own. Most of us decide in young adulthood that the ability to reason and understand is natural, human and rightfully ours.

Unfortunately, this conclusion is erroneous. While some information is indeed available for free and even forced upon us in school, most economically valuable knowledge is private property and secret. The owners of this knowledge do not want it made public, and certainly do not want the state paying people to "discover" it. One can argue endlessly about whether "no trespassing" signs in libraries and schools are good things, but the debate is academic. As a practical matter, our rights to learn have already been circumscribed.

People often have trouble speaking about this problem because it's a worldly matter, like the practicalities of having children, that polite individuals don't discuss. Instead they smile and insist that education is golden and that the various ways of withholding knowledge - intentional generation of confusion, stonewalling, lying, disinforming - are obnoxious but not conspiratorial. They then deflect the discussion in a new direction by declaring the concerned person to be paranoid.

This denial is extremely irresponsible. The issue is the criminalization of learning. It's important. It's something we need to think about.

Our tendency to underestimate the danger of knowledge sequestration is partly a side effect of our otherwise sensible practice of separating knowledge into "technical" and "non-technical" categories, rather like social class divisions, and then dismissing sequestration of the former because it's unimportant. Unfortunately, the reasoning behind this practice is exactly backward. We don't really accept sequestration of knowledge because it's technical. We redefine knowledge to be technical when it becomes sequestered. That is to say, when intellectual activity becomes valuable enough to be bought and sold, it changes character. The owner doesn't bother to explain it clearly to you anymore, and you don't bother to ask him for details. You just buy his product - or not, as you choose. That's why repairing your car is technical while driving your car is not. Both involve knowing how cars work, but repair is something you can buy relatively cheaply on the open market, whereas getting where you want to go is expensive unless you do it yourself. On purely intellectual grounds, however, there is no difference between technical and non-technical knowledge.

Once you accept that the issue might be economic rather than cultural, you are forced to rethink some legal fundamentals. Refusing to apply traditions of free speech and free inquiry to things because they're property is different from doing so because they don't matter. A tiresome discussion about technical detail suddenly becomes a deadly serious one about the conflict between personal freedom and property rights. [1] The freedom in question is not the familiar one of political speech, instituted to discourage the consolidation of power by governments, but the freedom to learn and understand things relevant to making your living. In the past nobody worried about protecting this freedom because the major problems of the day were political, and technical property issues didn't obstruct personal economic betterment.

But now we have entered the Information Age, a time when access to understanding has become more important, in many instances, than access to physical means. [2] The growing efforts of governments, corporations and individuals to prevent competitors from knowing certain things that they themselves know has led to a stunning expansion of intellectual property rights and the strengthening of state classification powers. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998 and EU Copyright Directive of 2001, for example, make it a crime to circumvent anti-piracy measures (understand encrypted communication) and distribute code-cracking devices (tell other people about it). [3] The Bayh-Dole and Stevenson-Wydler Acts of 1980 redefine the mission of government-supported research to be the generation of intellectual property. [4] The Microsoft antitrust decision institutionalizes corporate monopolization of communication. [5] Courts now sustain patent claims for hiring strategies, real estate sales techniques, the discovery of chemical correlations in the body, and gene sequences. [6] Broad areas of two sciences, physics and biology, are now off limits to public discourse because they are national security risks. [7] Our society is sequestering knowledge more extensively, rapidly and thoroughly than any before it in history. Indeed, the Information Age should probably be called the Age of Amnesia because it has meant, in practice, a steep decline in public accessibility of important information. [8] This is particularly ironic given the rise of the Internet, which appears to spectacularly increase access to information but actually doesn't. [9]

The attitudes about knowledge implicit in this development raise profoundly troubling questions about human beings' fundamental rights to question and know. More and more the ``flash of insight'' that we so admired in Galileo and Newton - the sudden understanding of a thing and its implications - is turning out to be a patent infringement or a state security danger. [10,11] More and more, the act of reasoning something out for yourself is potentially a crime.

The increasingly conservative legal interpretation of invention as theft echos our society's growing ambiguity over how it feels about technical power. We sympathize with the young genius who, in an impetuous act of reason, breaks through the confusion and makes a glorious contribution to knowledge. [12] We also fear the genetic manipulation, nuclear conflict, usurpation of airplanes by terrorists, job export and so forth that his contributions might facilitate. Unable to decide which is more important to us, we label his acts as criminal or not after the fact, according to principles that shift over time and that he didn't understand when he did his work. [13] He is like the soldier making brave decisions on the battlefield without knowing whether he will receive a commendation or a court-martial. We respect what he stands for but absolutely will not grant him full creative license. Too much is at stake. The irresponsible publication of a trade secret or military technology "discovered" by accident could mean death for a corporation, chaos in the streets, or loss of life in war. [14]

Thus at the dawn of the Information Age we find ourselves dealing with the bizarre concept of the "crime of reason," the unsocial nature or outright illegality of understanding certain things. Legislatures, with our tacit blessing, have begun writing laws that criminalize understanding and speech because it is easier than criminalizing the behavior they engender. [15] The argument they make, echoing that of previous eras, is that incremental curtailment of freedom is a reasonable price to pay for continued safety and prosperity. We will regulate and censor certain things for your own good. Don't worry about the details. They're technical. But who will the censors be? To whom will they report? [16]

Unfortunately, the simplistic reflexive response technically informed people make, ``liberty or death,'' falls on deaf ears. It simply isn't workable. Our society has already decided, quite firmly, that a growing body of technical understanding shouldn't be accessible to everybody. [17] We have no option other than to sit down and plan, as best we can, what the rules of knowledge containment will be. That requires informing ourselves of the facts and thinking hard about them, since things you understand incompletely are easy to dismiss as confusing, boring and irrelevant, even when they aren't. [18] Sanitized knowledge is also deliberately designed to look this way. [19]

Meanwhile the wiser heads are sorrowful and silent, for they understand the full significance of this moment. It marks the final, terrible demise of Enlightenment optimism. Descartes's brave declaration, "I think, therefore I am," has become a satire. We have collectively resolved to relinquish our intellectual rights, to vote them out of existence on the grounds that they are too inconvenient and frightening to live with. The "technical" nature of the banned knowledge is irrelevant. Knowledge is knowledge. Once we accept that some of it is too important for ordinary people to have, we are no longer at Orwell's doorstep but sitting together in his parlor discussing proper placement of the furniture. That's not the way many of us wanted it, but that's the way it is.

This is an authorized excerpt from R. B. Laughlin, The Crime of Reason (Basic Books, New York, 2008).

http://large.stanford.edu/publications/crime/excerpt/
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:23 pm

Imagine how much Leverage you posses with "Classified Information"?
The Industrial Military Complex.

Where would that leverage go if that point was eliminated?
Ie how would the system self assemble?
I think there would be balance. But not within this Paradigm.
It may be impossible to ever have free knowledge.
Not because it would not work...but because it is not allowed.
This keeping of knowledge due to National Security is always growing.
They are supposed to be doing Star Trek stuff according to the deceased head of Skunkworks.
They are 50 years ahead of anything you can dream of.
That kinda sucks.
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:29 pm

In this jeremiad against the stifling constraints of commercialized culture, Laughlin writes, "At the dawn of the Information Age we find ourselves dealing with the bizarre concept of the 'crime of reason,' the unsocial nature or outright illegality of understanding certain things."

A widespread attack on Enlightenment rationality, he gloomily asserts, threatens to end in the criminalization of learning. More and more, the act of reasoning something out for yourself is potentially a crime.

The author contends that the Information Age should be called "the Age of Amnesia." The Internet promises a wide dissemination of useful information, but paradoxically there has been a steep decline in public accessibility of important information.

Laughlin explains the problems clearly and well, but provides little hope and virtually no solutions to the crisis.

About the author: Robert B. Laughlin is the Anne T. and Robert M. Bass Professor of Physics at Stanford University, where he has taught since 1985. In 1998 he shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the fractional quantum Hall effect. He has also won the Oliver F. Buckley Prize, the Benjamin Franklin Medal for Physics, and the Department of Energy's Earnest O. Lawrence Award for Physics. The author of A Different Universe (2005), he lives in Stanford, California.
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by mague » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:00 am

junglelord wrote: That kinda sucks.
Look above. Grey Cloud posted such a nice picture of Shiva.

See the guy on the ground he is dancing on ? The guys name is Ignorance. No joke :D

Shiva is dancing to the cosmic tune and telling us that the universal design is foolproove ;)

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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:50 am

Recap
He is a smart guy, he knows black holes are not real.
:D

The second guest was a UFO expert.
Of course due to Leverage Point 6
They will never admit it.
;)
Secrets, Physics, & UFOs
Appearing during the first half of the show, Nobel laureate and Physics Professor Robert B. Laughlin discussed the impact of knowledge increasingly being sequestering from the public. While a certain amount of information is kept secret for legitimate military or security purposes (such as how to build an atomic bomb), more and more knowledge is being restricted for economic reasons, he explained. Many companies consider ideas to be their intellectual property.

Laughlin also touched on developments in cloning and weaponry, and expressed his doubts that black holes actually exist. The equations for black holes don't make sense, and it's not a science until you actually go out and measure it, he said.

Researcher Richard Dolan spoke about UFO cases in the second-half of the program. His forthcoming book looks at some 200 well-documented military encounters with UFOs in the 1970s and 80s. He described one incident that took place at a Peru air base in May, 1980 over a two-day period. An aerial object was hovering over the base and a jet fighter was ordered to fire a missile at it. The UFO sped off to avoid the missile, only to return the next day.

He also spoke about a 1988 incident in the Great Lakes region, where a large craft appeared over frozen Lake Eerie, and according to witnesses caused the ice to crack and melt. The craft reportedly sent out scout ships, and was seen over a nuclear installation in the area. More about the case here. Dolan, who believes disclosure is inevitable within a decade, will be lecturing at the UFO Conference in Las Vegas this weekend.
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:12 am

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
--- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)

:shock: :o :? :( :cry: :evil:

What is real anyway? This gives a whole new spin to philosophy.
:roll:
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by altonhare » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:19 am

junglelord wrote:"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
--- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)

:shock: :o :? :( :cry: :evil:

What is real anyway? This gives a whole new spin to philosophy.
:roll:
real: exist: shape and location or a group of shapes with location or a relationship among shapes with location
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Re: The issue of "exist" resolved

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:20 am

Thats great and all, but do we know what is real>?

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
--- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)

:shock: :o :? :( :cry: :evil:

What is real anyway? This gives a whole new spin to philosophy.
:roll:

Consider that intellectual property is at an all time high, Classified Information is at an all time high.
We are also being lied to in every conceivable way, from gravity cosmology to society.
:evil:

We know shit. They let us know shit. They feed us shit. We then fight about the shit we are in.
:roll:

Now you know why to me the sacred cows of science and philosophy are founded on illusions.
They hold the true power. We are not allowed to know what that is.
Its intellectual property, classifed intelligence and your brain washed anyway.
:twisted:
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:27 am

Boy you really miss the point....giving me a philosophical reply.
:lol:

Pay attention.

Consider that intellectual property is at an all time high, Classified Information is at an all time high.
We are also being lied to in every conceivable way, from gravity cosmology to society.
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We know shit. They let us know shit. They feed us shit. We then fight about the shit we are in.
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Now you know why to me the sacred cows of science and philosophy are founded on illusions.
They hold the true power. We are not allowed to know what that is.
Its intellectual property, classifed intelligence and your brain washed anyway.
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If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
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Re: 12 Universal Points of Leverage

Unread post by altonhare » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:42 am

We are also being lied to in every conceivable way, from gravity cosmology to society.
-JL
We know shit. They let us know shit. They feed us shit. We then fight about the shit we are in.
-JL
They hold the true power. We are not allowed to know what that is.
-JL

Okay then, I understand you perfectly. The problem here is that "we" (the general public) are accepting theories without questioning them. The problem is that they are not applying any criteria for evaluation. I call this set of criteria the "scientific method" but you can call it "Jungelord's way to know what's real" if you want. If the public applied a valid and consistent set of criteria they would expose relativity, quantum, and string theory for the farces they are. Indeed, the method I have laid out on these boards exposes these theories as falsehoods. If everyone in the world used this set of criteria nobody would be misled. They would be able to lead themselves to the truth.
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