I like giving headshots to flawed experiments.DangerousDann wrote:Wow,, so the answer is yes, tons of chemistry deniers here.
I am a person who tests the science I have been told is fact to the best of my ability.
The chemistry is solid and factual. Just take two identical bottles, put water in both, with a thermometer. Then put some co2 in one of them, seal them up and put them in the sun for a few minutes and watch the difference in temperature, even after the light source is removed, the co2 bottle is much warmer.
So anyone telling me its irrelevant is someone who has not tested it for themselves.
The ph of the ocean is changing very quickly dead zones are spreading.
And the "weather" in my homeland is rather quickly killing everything I know and love here in Oregon, weather it be by record fire seasons, or just plain drought. All the indigenous fish have died off due to warming water, and invasive species are moving up from the equator in search of cooler climate, or just because its now warm enough for them here, were it was not 30 years ago.
Frost used to kill many tree eating Beatles annually, but now they survive the warm winters and have terrible impacts on our forests. The state park " Snow park" is now "Mud Park", as the snow melts even in the winter. Suggesting that its all Nasa Hype from where I'm sitting is so far onto the delusional , oblivious scale, I can't help but wonder if we're living on the same planet.
I never meant to suggest that climate change is the end of the world (in fact earth will better off without us) , but climate driven migration is already starting, and where people get hungry and desperate to feed and water their kids, bullets start flying quickly thereafter.
I don't see any benefit in rooting steadfast against obvious climate change science. In fact, I'm doing what I can to clean up my act, including growing my own food and building a self sufficient solar system to get clean energy and lead by example.
It makes me sad to see the bold work done by the EU and the Safire project allow proponents to stubbornly ignore so many other fields of science and climate , or even worse, to pit themselves against this budding movement to clean energy. All the while talking about how compartmentalized the bloated scientific community operates today , ignoring the plasma that is all around them.
Maybe its human nature to only see what it is we personally consider important when we get passionate about our work or ideals. I guess more cities need to flood, people need to die by the millions before it is taken seriously.
I sure wish the EU could offer helpful , functional discoveries to the issue instead of joining some crusade against the establishment and incidentally bolster this dogmatic us versus them nonsense, as if we old timers cannot see what is really going on in our environment. Its a bit insulting .
What good is the Electric universe if it cannot do anything helpful? Just being right is all that matters? Sounds like a hopeless cosmology to me, another big bang we have no control over. There is no reason to embrace it with this belief that it is the end all and cure all we have no control over. As if there is no other relevant science.
The very argument that electricity rules all, and will save or destroy what it likes regardless of co2 levels, is not something the general public will accept with open arms. I wish that aspect of this "belief" (which is all it really is, like a religion) could be toned down a bit, for the sake of the EU.
It make for easy titles like "crack pot", quacks, climate deniers in disguise, etc, etc. Its embarrassing to me, I don't share links anymore because of the near religious conviction of this yet unproven climate impact proponents of the EU claim will or is happening.
Because I KNOW co2 causes heating, you cannot change facts, I tested it myself, you should too. There will be no more little ice ages for thousands of years with 400 ppm co2, dream on if you believe otherwise, but Ill stake my belief in the science of core samples over this little understood bluster any day.
Anyhow, I got my answer, thanks for all your time. Sadly, while I believe the universe is all electric, and the EU will someday , hopefully be realized for its work, it will not happen until the growing crisis of the climate is dealt with.
Finding a clean and cheap energy source is probably the best hope for the EU in the coming decades, otherwise it has little importance. I wish luck and happiness to all who work hard to find truth.
You can't test for CO2 effect in this way. It's erroneous. Explanation, why this test is bogus and you should delete it from your mind's memory as a viable experiment and stop showing it to kids, if you're doing that. Do more reading. There is lots of papers on the theme of ionosphere effects on weather, Earth-Sun connection, quakes, weather etc.
You're missing the point. It's not about belief or being helpful. Science IS about knowledge AND being right (getting to the core truth of phenomena).What good is the Electric universe if it cannot do anything helpful? Just being right is all that matters? Sounds like a hopeless cosmology to me, another big bang we have no control over. There is no reason to embrace it with this belief that it is the end all and cure all we have no control over.
They don't have to accept it with open arms. Truth sometimes hurts. Electric Universe is not a belief (unlike AGW). If the Sun decides tommorow to start releasing killer CMEs one after the other or we get hit by one of those particle beams that missed us a couple of years ago, we're done. So electricity does rule everything. As far as we're concerned electricity is mankind's God.The very argument that electricity rules all, and will save or destroy what it likes regardless of co2 levels, is not something the general public will accept with open arms. I wish that aspect of this "belief" (which is all it really is, like a religion) could be toned down a bit, for the sake of the EU.
We've already found it. It's called nuclear energy. Whoever told you solar is cheap duped you really, really well.Finding a clean and cheap energy source is probably the best hope for the EU in the coming decades, otherwise it has little importance. I wish luck and happiness to all who work hard to find truth.
Within a decade, the Climate Change religion will die off and Electric Universe explanations for planets and climate will rule. It is an inevitable outcome of research and technological progress. Unfortunately, people like you have all been duped very badly by liars that want your money.