The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by bboyer » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:02 am

MGmirkin wrote:In this modern age, when major revisions to the characteristics of well-known objects are required and even the vaunted "standard model of stellar evolution" appears to be falsified based on real-world observations that clash with current assumptions, it's time to publicly call for a return to "real science" and stop with the mathematical fairy stories...

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Pretty much sums it up for me. The above quote from Feynman probably applies to all the one-stop, so-called alternate theories being postulated as well since they seem to be fantasy mostly founded first and foremost in ivory-towered mathematical wizardry of complexity, with claims well beyond the pale of common sense and divorced from easy observation or experience. Bah-humbug says I. :|
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by junglelord » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:27 am

Plasmatic wrote:
Many thanks to Klypp for pointing out this wonderful article:

(Where Have You Gone, Isaac Newton?)
"Today, physicists suppose that a particle can travel many different paths simultaneously, or travel backwards in time, or randomly pop into and out of existence from nothingness. They enjoy treating the entire universe as a "fluctuation of the vacuum," or as an insignificant member of an infinite ensemble of universes, or even as a hologram.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3147
I posted this article on the old forum. His lectures are awesome and he is writing a book on induction in physics which im dying to read!

Did someone say knowledge about EM was a waste of time? Was it in the artlicle this threads about? I must have missed it.

Anyone who discredits time reversal is not credible, and certainly has no understanding of EM, since the two are inseperable! Therefore he appears to discredit a full understanding of EM Theory. How can one discredit time reversal and claim to have any fundamental knowledge of EM? Yes you missed it.
Time Reversal of ElectromagneticWaves
G. Lerosey, J. de Rosny, A. Tourin, A. Derode, G. Montaldo, and M. Fink
Laboratoire Ondes et Acoustique, ESPCI, Universite´ Paris VII, UMR 7587, 10 rue Vauquelin, 75005 Paris France
(Received 9 December 2003; published 14 May 2004)
We report the first experimental demonstration of time-reversal focusing with electromagnetic waves.
An antenna transmits a 1-s electromagnetic pulse at a central frequency of 2.45 GHz in a high-Q
cavity. Another antenna records the strongly reverberated signal. The time-reversed wave is built and
transmitted back by the same antenna acting now as a time-reversal mirror. The wave is found to
converge to its initial source and is compressed in time. The quality of focusing is determined by the
frequency bandwidth and the spectral correlations of the field within the cavity.
http://kom.aau.dk/antprop/phdc04/pky/prl93904.pdf
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by Plasmatic » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:08 pm

Did someone say knowledge about EM was a waste of time?
Anyone who discredits time reversal is not credible.....How can one discredit time reversal
Still dont see anyone claiming knowledge of any type "is a waste of time"
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by junglelord » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:06 am

Many thanks to Klypp for pointing out this wonderful article:

(Where Have You Gone, Isaac Newton?)
"Today, physicists suppose that a particle can travel many different paths simultaneously, or travel backwards in time, or randomly pop into and out of existence from nothingness. They enjoy treating the entire universe as a "fluctuation of the vacuum," or as an insignificant member of an infinite ensemble of universes, or even as a hologram.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3147
There is more where he is totally off track with his ability to accept the truth, I guess he is stuck in the time of Isaac Newton, meanwhile I live in the day and age of David Bohm. Quantum devices like a Superconductor require a deeper knowledge then Newton can deliver.
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Certainly the Reverse Time component is CRITICAL to understanding Scalar Longitudinal Current and EM Wave for instance the Russian Scalar Woodpecker Radar is a technology based on reversed time EM....and the theory of the holographic is CRITICAL to understanding the universe, because we must include information. Without Information, entropy makes no sense. Information is the fundamental expression of the universe via holographic prinicples.

Ask anybody what the physical world is made of, and you are likely to be told "matter and energy."
Yet if we have learned anything from engineering, biology and physics, information is just as crucial an ingredient.


The robot at the automobile factory is supplied with metal and plastic but can make nothing useful without copious instructions telling it which part to weld to what and so on. A ribosome in a cell in your body is supplied with amino acid building blocks and is powered by energy released by the conversion of ATP to ADP, but it can synthesize no proteins without the information brought to it from the DNA in the cell's nucleus. Likewise, a century of developments in physics has taught us that information is a crucial player in physical systems and processes. Indeed, a current trend, initiated by John A. Wheeler of Princeton University, is to regard the physical world as made of information, with energy and matter as incidentals.

A Tale of Two Entropies

Formal information theory originated in seminal 1948 papers by American applied mathematician Claude E. Shannon, who introduced today's most widely used measure of information content: entropy. Entropy had long been a central concept of thermodynamics, the branch of physics dealing with heat. Thermodynamic entropy is popularly described as the disorder in a physical system. In 1877 Austrian physicist Ludwig Boltzmann characterized it more precisely in terms of the number of distinct microscopic states that the particles composing a chunk of matter could be in while still looking like the same macroscopic chunk of matter. For example, for the air in the room around you, one would count all the ways that the individual gas molecules could be distributed in the room and all the ways they could be moving.

When Shannon cast about for a way to quantify the information contained in, say, a message, he was led by logic to a formula with the same form as Boltzmann's. The Shannon entropy of a message is the number of binary digits, or bits, needed to encode it. Shannon's entropy does not enlighten us about the value of information, which is highly dependent on context. Yet as an objective measure of quantity of information, it has been enormously useful in science and technology. For instance, the design of every modern communications device--from cellular phones to modems to compact-disc players--relies on Shannon entropy.

Thermodynamic entropy and Shannon entropy are conceptually equivalent: the number of arrangements that are counted by Boltzmann entropy reflects the amount of Shannon information one would need to implement any particular arrangement. The two entropies have two salient differences, though. First, the thermodynamic entropy used by a chemist or a refrigeration engineer is expressed in units of energy divided by temperature, whereas the Shannon entropy used by a communications engineer is in bits, essentially dimensionless. That difference is merely a matter of convention.

Even when reduced to common units, however, typical values of the two entropies differ vastly in magnitude. A silicon microchip carrying a gigabyte of data, for instance, has a Shannon entropy of about 1010 bits (one byte is eight bits), tremendously smaller than the chip's thermodynamic entropy, which is about 1023 bits at room temperature. This discrepancy occurs because the entropies are computed for different degrees of freedom. A degree of freedom is any quantity that can vary, such as a coordinate specifying a particle's location or one component of its velocity. The Shannon entropy of the chip cares only about the overall state of each tiny transistor etched in the silicon crystal--the transistor is on or off; it is a 0 or a 1--a single binary degree of freedom. Thermodynamic entropy, in contrast, depends on the states of all the billions of atoms (and their roaming electrons) that make up each transistor. As miniaturization brings closer the day when each atom will store one bit of information for us, the useful Shannon entropy of the state-of-the-art microchip will edge closer in magnitude to its material's thermodynamic entropy. When the two entropies are calculated for the same degrees of freedom, they are equal.

What are the ultimate degrees of freedom? Atoms, after all, are made of electrons and nuclei, nuclei are agglomerations of protons and neutrons, and those in turn are composed of quarks. Many physicists today consider electrons and quarks to be excitations of superstrings, which they hypothesize to be the most fundamental entities. But the vicissitudes of a century of revelations in physics warn us not to be dogmatic. There could be more levels of structure in our universe than are dreamt of in today's physics.

One cannot calculate the ultimate information capacity of a chunk of matter or, equivalently, its true thermodynamic entropy, without knowing the nature of the ultimate constituents of matter or of the deepest level of structure, which I shall refer to as level X. (This ambiguity causes no problems in analyzing practical thermodynamics, such as that of car engines, for example, because the quarks within the atoms can be ignored--they do not change their states under the relatively benign conditions in the engine.) Given the dizzying progress in miniaturization, one can playfully contemplate a day when quarks will serve to store information, one bit apiece perhaps. How much information would then fit into our one-centimeter cube? And how much if we harness superstrings or even deeper, yet undreamt of levels? Surprisingly, developments in gravitation physics in the past three decades have supplied some clear answers to what seem to be elusive questions.

This surprising result--that information capacity depends on surface area--has a natural explanation if the holographic principle (proposed in 1993 by Nobelist Gerard 't Hooft of the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands and elaborated by Susskind) is true. In the everyday world, a hologram is a special kind of photograph that generates a full three-dimensional image when it is illuminated in the right manner. All the information describing the 3-D scene is encoded into the pattern of light and dark areas on the two-dimensional piece of film, ready to be regenerated. The holographic principle contends that an analogue of this visual magic applies to the full physical description of any system occupying a 3-D region: it proposes that another physical theory defined only on the 2-D boundary of the region completely describes the 3-D physics. If a 3-D system can be fully described by a physical theory operating solely on its 2-D boundary, one would expect the information content of the system not to exceed that of the description on the boundary.

A Universe Painted on Its Boundary

Can we apply the holographic principle to the universe at large? The real universe is a 4-D system: it has volume and extends in time. If the physics of our universe is holographic, there would be an alternative set of physical laws, operating on a 3-D boundary of spacetime somewhere, that would be equivalent to our known 4-D physics. We do not yet know of any such 3-D theory that works in that way. Indeed, what surface should we use as the boundary of the universe? One step toward realizing these ideas is to study models that are simpler than our real universe.

A class of concrete examples of the holographic principle at work involves so-called anti-de Sitter spacetimes. The original de Sitter spacetime is a model universe first obtained by Dutch astronomer Willem de Sitter in 1917 as a solution of Einstein's equations, including the repulsive force known as the cosmological constant. De Sitter's spacetime is empty, expands at an accelerating rate and is very highly symmetrical. In 1997 astronomers studying distant supernova explosions concluded that our universe now expands in an accelerated fashion and will probably become increasingly like a de Sitter spacetime in the future. Now, if the repulsion in Einstein's equations is changed to attraction, de Sitter's solution turns into the anti-de Sitter spacetime, which has equally as much symmetry. More important for the holographic concept, it possesses a boundary, which is located "at infinity" and is a lot like our everyday spacetime.

Using anti-de Sitter spacetime, theorists have devised a concrete example of the holographic principle at work: a universe described by superstring theory functioning in an anti-de Sitter spacetime is completely equivalent to a quantum field theory operating on the boundary of that spacetime [see box above]. Thus, the full majesty of superstring theory in an anti-de Sitter universe is painted on the boundary of the universe. Juan Maldacena, then at Harvard University, first conjectured such a relation in 1997 for the 5-D anti-de Sitter case, and it was later confirmed for many situations by Edward Witten of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., and Steven S. Gubser, Igor R. Klebanov and Alexander M. Polyakov of Princeton University. Examples of this holographic correspondence are now known for spacetimes with a variety of dimensions.

This result means that two ostensibly very different theories--not even acting in spaces of the same dimension--are equivalent. Creatures living in one of these universes would be incapable of determining if they inhabited a 5-D universe described by string theory or a 4-D one described by a quantum field theory of point particles.

The holographic equivalence can allow a difficult calculation in the 4-D boundary spacetime, such as the behavior of quarks and gluons, to be traded for another, easier calculation in the highly symmetric, 5-D anti-de Sitter spacetime.

http://sufizmveinsan.com/fizik/holographic.html
I came to a conclusion when I was doing thesis work on Biophysics, that conclusion is that E=I and that we live in a 5-D Holographic Universe....I stand by those claims. APM agrees with that theory. David Bohm agrees with that theory. Michael Talbot agrees with that theory. Karl Pribram agrees with that theory.
The Holographic Universe
Michael Talbot (1953-1992), was the author of a number of books highlighting parallels between ancient mysticism and quantum mechanics, and espousing a theoretical model of reality that suggests the physical universe is akin to a giant hologram. In The Holographic Universe, Talbot made many references to the work of David Bohm and Karl Pribram, and it is quite apparent that the combined work of Bohm and Karl Pribram is largely the cornerstone upon which Talbot built his ideas.


The Holographic Universe
In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.

Aspect's experiment is related to the EPR Experiment, a consicousness experiment which had been devised by Albert Einstein, and his colleagues, Poldlsky and Rosen, in order to disprove Quantum Mechanics on the basis of the Pauli Exclusion Principle contradicting Special Relativity.

Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.

Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram.

http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by junglelord » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:42 pm

From the Tom Bearden web page. Hundreds of Western papers dealing with time-reversed waves are now in the open scientific literature-most of them dealing with non-linear optics. However, the principles of the time-reversed wave are well-established, and known to apply to waves in general. This is Scalar Technology, It does not diverge and spread its energy. It should be noted that the nonlinear scalar is a primary archetype of the universe. Its importance cannot be understated. The ability to understand time reversal EM is fundamental to scalar technology. Since Tesla gave them the final information to build the Woodpecker Scalar Radar, it should be noted the importance of this information, from where it comes, and how it is a primary mechanism of the EU in galactic terms as it powers suns from the galactic core. Anyone who does not credit time reversal as valid will never truly understand EM or the EU.
WEAPONS THAT USE TIME-REVERSED ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES


At the end of WWII, the Soviet Union obtained the cream of the crop of Germany's radar scientists and infrared scientists.

At that time, the German scientific team led the world in the theory and technology of radar absorbing materials (RAM) and radar cross section. For example, some leading Western radar experts believe that the German scientists had already advanced the theory of radar cross section beyond where Western scientists have arrived at today. Radar cross section science is the "heart" of modern radar technology, countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures.

The theory of RAM technology is precisely what is needed to develop and design phase conjugate mirrors for radar frequency bands. Phase conjugate mirrors are capable of producing a time-reversed (TR) wave in direct response to a received ordinary wave. The mirror may be powerfully "pumped" with energy to produce a very large amplification of the time-reversed wave.

Just after WWII, the Soviets also mounted a truly massive program to obtain and review all the scientific literature of the West This material was completely re-examined and digested, in a deliberate search for a major new technological "break- through" area. Nothing similar to this has ever been done in the West.

By 1950, the Soviets probably had discovered phase conjugation and the time- reversed wave, in their radar programs using the German radar scientists. Their re- search would certainly have revealed that the time-reversed wave is a solution to the wave equation, and hence the phenomenon is universal to all waves and frequency regions, under appropriate nonlinear circumstances.

We stress the fact that from the beginning the Soviets have always led the rest of the world in nonlinear science and mathematics.

Thus by the mid-50's, the Soviets would have mounted an intensive national development program on these radar TR wave weapons. If so, the Soviet Union has now had the equivalent of some seven or eight Manhattan Projects, back-to-back, in the development, stockpiling, and deployment of TR wave weapon systems. At least fifth generation Soviet TR weapons have been developed and deployed.

This is a matter of the greatest importance to the U.S. - and one which the U.S. intelligence and scientific communities have largely missed.

We particularly stress that the time-reversed wave phenomenon is a universal phenomenon of nature, not just a fluke, and not just a "nonlinear optics" phenomenon. It is a solution to the wave equation and, as such, it applies to every kind of wave. Electromagnetic, sound, magnetohydrodynamic, and other radiating systems all exhibit the phenomenon under appropriate nonlinear conditions.

Hundreds of Western papers dealing with time-reversed waves are now in the open scientific literature-most of them dealing with non-linear optics. However, the principles of the time-reversed wave are well-established, and known to apply to waves in general.

Compared to a normal wave, a time-reversed wave has startlingly different weapon capabilities.

Such a wave precisely retraces the path of the ordinary wave that stimulated it to be formed. So it possesses an "invisible wire" through space, back to the original position of whatever emitted its stimulus wave.

Further, the time-reversed wave continually converges upon its invisible "back- tracking" path. It does not diverge and spread its energy, in contradistinction to normal waves.

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Unread post by upriver » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:30 pm

Plasmatic wrote:Just in case anyone would like to actually fact check.


"Physical Interpretation of the 26 Dimensions of Bosonic String Theory
Authors: Frank D. Smith Jr
(Submitted on 14 Feb 2001 (v1), last revised 15 Jul 2002 (this version, v2))
Abstract: The 26 dimensions of Closed Unoriented Bosonic String Theory are interpreted as the 26 dimensions of the traceless Jordan algebra J3(O)o of 3x3 Octonionic matrices, with each of the 3 Octonionic dimenisons of J3(O)o having the following physical interpretation: 4-dimensional physical spacetime plus 4-dimensional internal symmetry space; 8 first-generation fermion particles; 8 first-generation fermion anti-particles. This interpretation is consistent with interpreting the strings as World Lines of the Worlds of Many-Worlds Quantum Theory and the 26 dimensions as the degrees of freedom of the Worlds of the Many-Worlds.
Comments: 6 pages, pdf format, about 108k
Subjects: General Physics (physics.gen-ph)
Report number: TS-01-1
Cite as: arXiv:physics/0102042v2 [physics.gen-ph]

Submission history
From: Tony Smith [view email]
[v1] Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:42:02 GMT (104kb)
[v2] Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:53:44 GMT (148kb)"

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics?papernum=0102042


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"When the calculation is done, the critical dimensionality is not four as one may expect (three axes of space and one of time). Flat space string theories are 26-dimensional in the bosonic case, while superstring and M-theories turn out to involve 10 or 11 dimensions for flat solutions. In bosonic string theories, the 26 dimensions come from the Polyakov equation.[11] Starting from any dimension greater than four, it is necessary to consider how these are reduced to four dimensional space-time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory



http://physics.bgu.ac.il/~yarom/presentation/string.pps

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junglelord wrote:We particularly stress that the time-reversed wave phenomenon is a universal phenomenon of nature, not just a fluke, and not just a "nonlinear optics" phenomenon. It is a solution to the wave equation and, as such, it applies to every kind of wave. Electromagnetic, sound, magnetohydrodynamic, and other radiating systems all exhibit the phenomenon under appropriate nonlinear conditions.

Hundreds of Western papers dealing with time-reversed waves are now in the open scientific literature-most of them dealing with non-linear optics. However, the principles of the time-reversed wave are well-established, and known to apply to waves in general.

Compared to a normal wave, a time-reversed wave has startlingly different weapon capabilities.

Such a wave precisely retraces the path of the ordinary wave that stimulated it to be formed. So it possesses an "invisible wire" through space, back to the original position of whatever emitted its stimulus wave.

Further, the time-reversed wave continually converges upon its invisible "back- tracking" path. It does not diverge and spread its energy, in contradistinction to normal waves.
The 'time-reversed' wave is kind of a confusing description. It is a 'scalar' wave,so it has no direction. The time-reversal is only needed if one insists om interpreting it as two directed waves, in which case we need one wave going AB and one going BA, backward in time. In real physical life there is just a scalar wave moving only in space, not in time...

Is that confusing? ....heck, it's better than crumpling 26 dimensions into 4 to find something that might generate a physical effect ;)
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Unread post by StevenO » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:54 am

StevenO wrote:The 'time-reversed' wave is kind of a confusing description. It is a 'scalar' wave,so it has no direction. The time-reversal is only needed if one insists om interpreting it as two directed waves, in which case we need one wave going AB and one going BA, backward in time. In real physical life there is just a scalar wave moving only in space, not in time.
Since physics has adopted vector calculus everywhere, off course only the forward/backward time interpretation is possible with for instance the current Maxwell formula's. The EM formula uses three dimensional vector space with one dimensional time, so a scalar wave in space can only be described as two waves moving in opposite time. Photons are scalar waves moving outward, while matter is scalar maves moving in the opposite direction. In the current EM formula that would be interpreted as a standing EM wave.
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by junglelord » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:28 am

Because quantum models have entanglement (faster then light communication) and because scalar longitudinal transmission is faster then light, this is how I understand the reverse time wave function of EM. The self reinforcing reverse time wave is instantaneous in its action at a distance. This is critical to understanding how the galactic core powers the stars of the milky way galaxy....
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It has been said the effects of gravity are faster then light...would it not make sense to have EM transmission also be faster then light, based on quantum entanglement this is not an impossible concept! Tesla Longitudinal Wireless Current transmission via the Magnifying Transmitter and as shown again by Dollard and Meyl have a instantanteous relationship to the receiver. Very interesting conclusions can be drawn from this information.

If there are only three forces as proposed by APM, it would make sense that all three can have instant communication. Instant communication across the universe based on entanglement and scalar transmission of EM is a important point when one considers the electric star model is powered from the Galactic Core. This standing reverse time wave scalar is the normal way to transmitt current in the universe. That is my impression.
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Unread post by Solar » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:06 am

StevenO wrote: The 'time-reversed' wave is kind of a confusing description. It is a 'scalar' wave,so it has no direction. The time-reversal is only needed if one insists om interpreting it as two directed waves, in which case we need one wave going AB and one going BA, backward in time.
Thank you.

To me you've expressed the problems or limitations of linear thinking. Of course one can work with and/or within it. But when over done we get things like String Theory and staggering concepts of 26 dimensions etc. So it appears that we have *some* linear systems that can provide some predictability but mostly non-linear systems like plasma dynamics, even the weather, which will need statistical probabilities to cope with to provide any degree of certainty.

As soon as you think you've nailed it, in comes 'randomness'. :o
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Unread post by junglelord » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:54 am

Incoherent Systems like Newtonian Physics are random, Coherent Systems are not random. Careful you almost fooled yourself. The EU is by its very nature a Coherent System and I will tell you why and how StevenO almost missed it concerning EM time reversal waves, leaving it as an option when in fact it is fundamental to our understanding.
The time-reversal is only needed if one insists om interpreting it as two directed waves, in which case we need one wave going AB and one going BA, backward in time.
One does need to explain it as two directed waves. They are entangled, remember?
Also the galactic core is the transmitter, the stars are the receivers, that is two scalar longitudinal sources, again two waves are required. Like in the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter and as shown by Meyl, the transmitter and receiver are in instant communication. Therefore a quantum coherent entangled two wave scalar reverse time function explanation is fundamental. This directly leads to a fundamental model that incorporates two time systems, has space resonace and is represented as such. APM is that model.

At both the galactic and at the quantum level we will find the same archetypes due to collective behaviour. Everthing vibrates, everything is entangled coherently, holographicly encoded information undergoes fractal replication, these things are universal at every level and expressed as archetypes at the universal and quantum level. That is implicit order.
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The EU is a galactic scale quantum coherent system.
Take another deep breath and think long and hard on that.
Here is a quote from Mead.
As I describe them, coherent and incoherent systems are dominated by different sets of physical laws. With the incoherent systems that we see all around us, time is one-directional. And things that come apart don't spontaneously come together again. And the inertia--of the billiard ball, for example--increases linearly with the number of atoms. With coherent systems, on the other hand, time is two-directional, and inertia increases with the square of the number of elements. In a superconducting magnet, the electron inertia increases with the square of the number of electrons. That's foreign to Newtonian thinking, which is why Feynman had trouble with it. A coherent system is not more real, but it is much more pure and fundamental. "Coherence" seems comparable to electricity--it has existed forever.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ch.thompson ... erMead.htm
Indeed if the universe is composed of only three forces, EM Charge, Electrostatic Charge and Gravity, then we have a Coherent System by design. Why would not an EU theory have a new way to explain force, structure, function and the relationship between the quantum coherent system and the galactic coherent system? Infact it would need one by necessity.
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Unread post by webolife » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:22 am

StevenO and Junglelord,
Once again you have restored my belief that reason and common sense are alive and well on this forum. Of course time reversal is only a necessary stepping stone in our conceptualization of EM instantaneous action. I describe it this way: the geometry of the unified field is symmetric. Apologies to anyone expecting me to confuse this simple truth with overmuch verbage. :D :lol:
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Unread post by Grey Cloud » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:40 am

webolife wrote:StevenO and Junglelord,
Once again you have restored my belief that reason and common sense are alive and well on this forum. Of course time reversal is only a necessary stepping stone in our conceptualization of EM instantaneous action. I describe it this way: the geometry of the unified field is symmetric. Apologies to anyone expecting me to confuse this simple truth with overmuch verbage. :D :lol:
Verbiage old boy, verbiage.
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Unread post by StevenO » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:39 pm

webolife wrote:StevenO and Junglelord,
Once again you have restored my belief that reason and common sense are alive and well on this forum. Of course time reversal is only a necessary stepping stone in our conceptualization of EM instantaneous action. I describe it this way: the geometry of the unified field is symmetric. Apologies to anyone expecting me to confuse this simple truth with overmuch verbage. :D :lol:
Thanks for the kind words....as Emily Noether once teached us: anything we observe in this universe is an expression of broken symmetry. Search the symmetry and you'll find the thruth.
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Re: The Problem With Post-Einsteinian Science...

Unread post by webolife » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:07 pm

GC said:
Verbiage old boy, verbiage.

This is the second time you have corrected me on this word!
I was thinking of "garbage", as in that previous discussion.
Anyway, from now on, I will use "verbosity", but hopefully not toooo much! :lol:
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