Torsion Field vs EM Field vs Free Energy

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Torsion Field vs EM Field vs Free Energy

Unread post by Lloyd » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:42 pm

- Hoagland's site has a recent article called Von Braun’s 50-Year-Old Secret at http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm and http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun2.htm . I'm paraphrasing and partly quoting from them here.
- Von Braun's secret is that spinning bodies apparently don't well follow Newton's law of gravity. Does it prove that free energy can be obtained from space by rapidly spinning objects? And is it possible that torsion fields can explain EM fields or vice versa? Why does a pendulum precess in the wrong direction during the first half of a solar eclipse and then return to the normal direction in line with Earth's rotation in the second half? How is rotation related to Electric Universe theory? Do electrons, protons etc actually spin and does this yield EM effects, including charge?

** If a rapidly spinning steel ball and a non-spinning identical ball are thrown upward at the same time and same velocity, why does the spinning ball go higher and fall faster than the non-spinning ball?
- The same effect was found to occur in rockets going into space. Early solid-fuel rockets had to spin over 700 rpm to compensate for unequal burns, which burns would otherwise propel them erratically. Payloads on such rockets went considerably higher than expected by Newton's formula. One or more of the first 3 Ranger rockets that were intended to hit the moon arrived thousands of miles too soon. This is why they switched to liquid fuel, which burned evenly and so required no spinning. Nonetheless, gyroscopes aboard spacecraft can cause similar guidance problems, as well as problems with electrical circuits.

** Bruce de Palma said, "We know when we can alter the properties of mechanical objects, i.e. change their inertia, we have contravened the conservation of energy, because we have associated the properties of an object with the space which contains the object. The space which contains the object also contains energy and we can go at the project in two ways: we can attempt to extract the energy without worrying where it came from, or we can attempt to understand physics, ourselves, and the Universe by a new formulation of reality.
- "... The behavior of rotating objects is explained after much thought simply on the addition of free energy to whatever motion the rotating object is already making. Thus the spinning object goes higher and falls faster than the identical non-rotating control.

** DePalma initially thought a torsion field creates a true variable inertia in physical objects, but later decided the field has the ability "to channel energy from the vacuum" (hyperspace!) into existing energy processes already occurring in these 3-D objects ....
- The rotational torsion field's effect on the stereo receiver's circuits could be viewed as directly altering either their voltage, reactance or amperage (or, all three!) ... leading, in the end, to the same rhythmic, resonant frequency changes that were observed ....

** "... mechanical energy of motion, stored in the created inertial property appears as an inertial field. This inertial field has the property of conferring inertia on surrounding material objects -- and a reduction in the frequency of oscillating electrical circuits placed in the vicinity of the energized machine...."

** "… the inertia-altering, torsion field effect is roughly proportional to the radius and mass of the rotating object and to the square of the rotational speed….”
- So, if you have a big "dumb" object -- like a main stage booster, or a set of upper stages -- and you spin them ... you get a certain torsion effect, depending on how fast they rotate.
- But-- If you have a set of tiny, low mass objects -- the gyroscopes in the on-board inertial navigation systems -- but you spin them "like the proverbial bat out of hell ..." you can get a MUCH greater proportional effect-- Because -- their individual torsion fields are directly proportional to the square of their individual rates of spin!
- The key is in DePalma's crucial observation "... this inertial field has the property of conferring inertia on surrounding material objects."

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Re: Torsion Field vs EM Field vs Free Energy

Unread post by mague » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:12 am

Did you consider Newtonian fluids and Newton's approximation for the impact depth of projectiles ?

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Re: Torsion Field vs EM Field vs Free Energy

Unread post by substance » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:59 am

So this guy ends up explaining Inertia with.. well with Inertia itself. Just like Einstein`s explanation of gravity.
Does the de Palma guy explain WHAT is an inertial field and what is it made of? I think not. Interesting insights, but further study is needed.
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Unread post by lizzie » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:53 am

I don't know if this will be helpful, but I think the Russian scientists are easier to understand.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... =946#p9544
Torsion fields are generated by the classical spin, or by the spin angular momentum density (on a macroscopic level). Torsion fields' characteristics differ substantially from the characteristics of electromagnetic and gravitation fields. Torsion fields have axial symmetry, unlike electromagnetic and gravitation fields that have central symmetry. There exist both right and left torsion fields (depending on the classical spin orientation or rotational orientation).

Torsion fields transmit information without transmitting energy, and they propagate through physical media without interacting (in traditional sense) with this media. But propagating torsion fields alter the spin state of physical media. Thus torsion fields can be detected by various types of detectors. Torsion fields cannot be shielded by most materials, but they can be shielded by materials having certain spin-structures. The lower bound of torsion signal velocity is estimated at 109c, where c is the velocity of light. This is due to the fact that torsion fields are identical to the transverse spin polarization of the physical vacuum.

The magnetization of ferromagnets results in the appearance of a collective magnetic field. But as a matter of fact, the sequencing of the orientation of magnetic moments automatically results in a sequencing of classical spins which are generated by the motion of electrons in circular molecular currents. So, the magnetization of ferromagnets results not only in the appearance of a collective magnetic field, but in appearance of a collective torsion field as well. Thus any permanent magnet possesses its own torsion field.

When the phytons are spin-compensated, their orientation within the ensemble is arbitrary. But when a charge q is the source of disturbance, the action produces a charge polarization of the Vacuum, as prescribed by quantum electrodynamics. When a mass m is the source of disturbance, the phytons produce symmetrical oscillations along the axis given by the direction of the disturbance. The Vacuum then enters a state characterized by the oscillation of the phytons along their longitudinal spin-polarization; this is interpreted as a gravitational field (G- field). The gravitational field is thus the result of Vacuum decompensation arising at its point of polarization, which is an idea that was originally introduced by the well-known Russian scientist, Sakharov.

They thus allow that the Vacuum field is disturbed not only by charge and mass, but also by classical spin. In that event the phytons oriented in the same direction as the spin of the disturbance keep their orientation. Those opposite to the spin of the source undergo inversion; then the local region of the Vacuum transits into a state of transverse spin polarization. This gives the "spin field" (S- field), viewed as a condensate of Fermion pairs.

The following fundamentally important fact should be emphasized. In the framework of the theory of electro-torsion interactions, it is shown that if electrostatic or electromagnetic fields exist in some region of space, then there always exists torsion fields in that region of space. Electrostatic or electromagnetic fields without a torsion component do not exist.

According to Panov et al.,11 "Gravitation and torsion fields manifest themselves as they are; whereas, electromagnetic fields always contain a torsion component and this is an essential fact. Torsion fields will appear in both electrostatic and electromagnetic radiation.
Role played by torsion in gravity
http://www.americanantigravity.com/arti ... Page1.html
According to this theory, curvature and torsion are alternative ways of describing the gravitational field, and consequently related to the same degrees of freedom of gravity. However, more general gravity theories, like for example Einstein-Cartan and gauge theories for the Poincare and the affine groups, consider curvature and torsion as representing independent degrees of freedom. By using an active version of the strong equivalence principle, a possible solution to this conceptual question is reviewed. This solution favors ultimately the teleparallel point of view, and consequently the completeness of general relativity. A discussion of the consequences for gravitation is presented

Gravitation presents a quite peculiar property: particles with different masses and different compositions feel it in such a way that all of them acquire the same acceleration and, given the same initial conditions, follow the same path. Such universality of response—usually referred to as universality of free fall—is the most fundamental characteristic of the gravitational interaction. It is a unique property, peculiar to gravitation: no other basic interaction of Nature has it. Effects equally felt by all bodies were known since long. They are the so called inertial effects, which show up in non-inertial frames. Examples on Earth are the centrifugal and the Coriolis force

Universality of inertial effects was one of the hints used by Einstein towards general relativity, his theory for gravitation. Another ingredient was the notion of field. The concept allows the best approach to interactions coherent with special relativity. All known forces are mediated by fields on spacetime. If gravitation is to be represented by a field, it should, by the considerations above, be a universal field, equally felt by every particle. A natural solution is to assume that gravitation changes the spacetime itself. And, of all the fields present in a spacetime, the metric appears as the most fundamental. The simplest way to change spacetime, then, would be to change its metric. Furthermore, the metric does change when looked at from a non-inertial frame, where the (also universal) inertial effects are present. According to this approach, therefore, the gravitational field should be represented by the spacetime metric. In the absence of gravitation, the spacetime metric should reduce to the flat Minkowski metric.
Torsion Gravity
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0501/0501017v1.pdf

Can gravity pobe B usefully constrain torsion gravity theories?
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=19023683
In most theories of gravity involving torsion, the source for torsion is the intrinsic spin of matter. Since the spins of fermions are normally randomly oriented in macroscopic bodies, the amount of torsion generated by macroscopic bodies is normally negligible.
Torsion Gravity
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0034-4885/65/5/201/
Torsion that is derived from a potential, including a scalar, vector, and tensor potential is discussed, with emphasis on the antisymmetric tensor of the string theory kind. Teleparallel theories are described, conformal invariance is discussed and a brief section on the equation of motion is presented.
Unwinding the Cosmos
http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/869
At present there is a great deal of interest (and confusion) around a new field of science generally referred to as torsion physics. The Einstein-Cartan theory upon which it is based describes magnetism and gravity as two sides of the same coin – the curvature and twisting of spacetime. It may well give us the missing link needed to solve the world's energy and ecological crises while offering the ultimate "Theory of Everything."

From the micro to the macro, torsion physics describes everything as a double torus of orthogonal (or "right-angled") gravitational and electromagnetic forces that together spin off resonant harmonic structure at the perfectly balanced event horizon between them. Based on this theoretical model, some scientists are calling for increased funding and research to find ways of engineering the torsion field. Nicola Tesla was the first to suggest this more than a hundred years ago.

Telsa found that when he placed two resonantly tuned electromagnetic coils near one another, they created a very strong repelling interference pattern and dense electromagnetic field between them. As we might expect, this then induced the double torus Coriolis Effect to occur and cause electromagnetic standing waves to form causing scalar components to form outward longitudinally. He found that these scalar components could even be used to transmit electricity without being absorbed into the surroundings like other waves.

But torsion physics and scalar tunneling promise much more. Scalar components might also be used to perturb the vacuum to induce torque in spacetime and release residual zero-point energy still "seething" in the space lattice.
Torsion fields link gravity to the geometry of spacetime?

Teleparallelism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleparallelism
Teleparallelism (also called distant parallelism and teleparallel gravity), was an attempt by Einstein to unify electromagnetism and gravity. The idea is to use a geometry with a pseudo-Riemannian metric of signature (3,1), vanishing curvature, and non-vanishing torsion, and to use tetrads, rather than the metric, as basic variables.

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Re: Torsion Field vs EM Field vs Free Energy

Unread post by lizzie » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Lloyd said: Hoagland's site has a recent article called Von Braun’s 50-Year-Old Secret. I'm paraphrasing and partly quoting from them here.

- Von Braun's secret is that spinning bodies apparently don't well follow Newton's law of gravity. Does it prove that free energy can be obtained from space by rapidly spinning objects? And is it possible that torsion fields can explain EM fields or vice versa? Why does a pendulum precess in the wrong direction during the first half of a solar eclipse and then return to the normal direction in line with Earth's rotation in the second half? How is rotation related to Electric Universe theory? Do electrons, protons etc actually spin and does this yield EM effects, including charge?
Einstein’s Antigravity
http://www.americanantigravity.com/docu ... ravity.pdf
While Cook’s research yielded little information about the specific design or application of the Nazi Bell device, his sources indicated that it apparently was able create a variety of startling effects on nearby objects. It has been speculated that the Bell device was designed to use high-speed counter-rotating components filled with specialized materials and energized by electromagnetic energy to induce “torsion” effects and thus control gravity and other significant effects.

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Unread post by lizzie » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:16 am

Here is a link that works

Unwinding the Cosmos
http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2008/01/3 ... he-cosmos/
At present there is a great deal of interest (and confusion) around a new field of science generally referred to as torsion physics. The Einstein-Cartan theory upon which it is based describes magnetism and gravity as two sides of the same coin – the curvature and twisting of spacetime. It may well give us the missing link needed to solve the world's energy and ecological crises while offering the ultimate "Theory of Everything."

From the micro to the macro, torsion physics describes everything as a double torus of orthogonal (or "right-angled") gravitational and electromagnetic forces that together spin off resonant harmonic structure at the perfectly balanced event horizon between them. Based on this theoretical model, some scientists are calling for increased funding and research to find ways of engineering the torsion field. Nicola Tesla was the first to suggest this more than a hundred years ago.

Telsa found that when he placed two resonantly tuned electromagnetic coils near one another, they created a very strong repelling interference pattern and dense electromagnetic field between them. As we might expect, this then induced the double torus Coriolis Effect to occur and cause electromagnetic standing waves to form causing scalar components to form outward longitudinally. He found that these scalar components could even be used to transmit electricity without being absorbed into the surroundings like other waves.

But torsion physics and scalar tunneling promise much more. Scalar components might also be used to perturb the vacuum to induce torque in spacetime and release residual zero-point energy still "seething" in the space lattice.

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Unread post by junglelord » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:04 pm

Cool link on Tesla, UFO's, Electropropulsion, National Security and the EU.
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/william_l ... hysics.pdf
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Unread post by junglelord » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:02 pm

I have to say the book entitled Occult Aether Physics
Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It.
Well its quite interesting. I remember reading that Mr Tesla's personal assistant was a Nazi double agent.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm
This book goes a way in saying that "someone" was passing his secrets to the Nazi.
The Nazi Bell is a Tesla device.
:o :shock:

The entire goal of the Magnifying Transmitter was that it was only one of three devices that together would make a UFO propulsion system.
8-)

I have been saying for a while that plasma science, aether science, ufos and national security are all the same thing.
If this book is anywhere near correct, it is the cat in the bag and the reason why the EU is not getting anywhere fast.
I know conspiracy is not looked upon well on this forum, so I will leave it alone, but I would like members to read this link.
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/william_l ... hysics.pdf
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Unread post by lizzie » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:21 pm

Junglelord said: I have been saying for a while that plasma science, aether science, ufos and national security are all the same thing.I know conspiracy is not looked upon well on this forum, so I will leave it alone, but I would like members to read this link.
Amen! Thank you for confirming that! This “conspiracy” is the single reason why mainstream science is in such a sorry state.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... t=15#p8672

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... t=15#p8676

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... t=30#p8811

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... t=45#p8914
Junglelord said: Well it’s quite interesting. I remember reading that Mr. Tesla's personal assistant was a Nazi double agent.
Oh, you mean “Curious George”?

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

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Unread post by Divinity » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:24 pm

junglelord wrote:Cool link on Tesla, UFO's, Electropropulsion, National Security and the EU.
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/william_l ... hysics.pdf
Outstanding...I have never head of this Occult Ether Physics book - it's fantastic :shock: :)

junglelord wrote:I have to say the book entitled Occult Aether Physics
Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It.
Well its quite interesting. I remember reading that Mr Tesla's personal assistant was a Nazi double agent.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm
This book goes a way in saying that "someone" was passing his secrets to the Nazi.
The Nazi Bell is a Tesla device.
:o :shock:

The entire goal of the Magnifying Transmitter was that it was only one of three devices that together would make a UFO propulsion system.


I have been saying for a while that plasma science, aether science, ufos and national security are all the same thing.
If this book is anywhere near correct, it is the cat in the bag and the reason why the EU is not getting anywhere fast.
I know conspiracy is not looked upon well on this forum, so I will leave it alone, but I would like members to read this link.
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/william_l ... hysics.pdf

A quote from that book:

As for Tesla's theory, we have hints, such as, that the earth is the
"star of human birth". In poetic expressions, he hid scientific meanings
in statements such as, that using the "thunderbolt of Jove" (the Indo-
European sky god), man "annihilates time and space", an allusion to the
use of electro-propulsion ("thunderbolts"), to travel so fast, that time
and space are "annihilated". Where the government has stolen his
papers, we must search for meaning elsewhere. In an article, Man's
Greatest Achievement 1. Tesla outlined his Dynamic Theory of Gravity in
poetic form (as paraphrased by me):


► That the luminiferous ether fills all space
► That the ether is acted upon by the life-giving creative force
► That the ether is thrown into "infinitesimal whirls"
("micro helices") at near the speed of light, becoming
ponderable matter
► That when the force subsides and motion ceases, matter
reverts to the ether (a form of "atomic decay")
John J. O'Neill, Prodigal Genius, 1944, pp. 251-252


That man can harness these processes, to:
-Precipitate matter from the ether
-Create whatever he wants with the matter and energy
derived
-Alter the earth's size
-Control earth's seasons (weather control)
-Guide earth's path through the Universe, like a space
ship
-Cause the collisions of planets to produce new suns and
stars, heat, and light
-Originate and develop life in infinite forms


Tesla was referring to unlimited energy, derived from the
environment. Several of his major free energy discoveries have been the
exclusive stolen property of our Secret Government. The conversion of
energy to a stronger force—electropulsion—used to control the much
weaker gravity force, would accomplish more work in the same amount
of time, and produce "over unity" results.

Some of Telsa's unusual conceptualization of the ether had been
nonetheless expounded piecemeal, in his preceding 1890's lectures. He
later railed against the limited and erroneous theories of Maxwell, Hertz,
Lorentz, and Einstein.

Tesla's ether was neither the "solid" ether with the "tenuity of
steel" of Maxwell and Hertz, nor the half-hearted, entrained, gaseous
ether of Lorentz. Tesla's ether consisted of "carriers immersed in an
insulating fluid", which filled all space. Its properties varied according
to relative movement, the presence of mass, and the electric and
magnetic environment.


Tesla's ether was rigidified by rapidly varying electrostatic forces,
and was thereby involved in gravitational effects, inertia, and
momentum, especially in the space near earth, since, as explained by
Tesla, the earth is "...like a charged metal ball moving through space",
which creates the enormous, rapidly varying electrostatic forces which
diminish in intensity with the square of the distance from earth, just like
gravity. Since the direction of propagation radiates from the earth, the
2 T. C. Martin, Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nicola Tesla, 1894, Chapter XXV - Introduction - The
Scope of the Tesla Lectures.


Everyone on this forum should be asking the question: What would have happened if there had been no conspiracy, hmmm?
Equally, everyone here should be congratulated for finally getting to the bottom of what has been so brutally concealed from the public for over 100 years. :roll:

I reiterate the single most important development of our modern times is the real understanding of the nature of our Universe - as we now know; 100 years of wasted cosmology/science has led, directly or indirectly, to the dumbing-down of our species. This cannot be underestimated, IMO.

Divinity :evil:

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Unread post by Divinity » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:48 pm

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I stumbled on this story:


http://technology.newscientist.com/chan ... aucer.html

Invention: Plasma-powered flying saucer
-----------------------------------------------
13:10 06 May 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Justin Mullins

Plasma-powered flying saucer

Pass a current or magnetic field through a conducting fluid and it will generate a force. Numerous aerospace engineers have tried and failed to exploit this phenomenon, known as magnetohydrodynamics, as an exotic form of propulsion for aircraft. But perhaps attempts so far have all been too big.

A very small design could have a better chance of taking off, says Subrata Roy, an aerospace engineer at the University of Florida, Gainesville, US.

With a span of less than 15 centimetres, his aircraft qualifies as a micro air vehicle (MAV), but it has an unconventional design to say the least. It is a saucer shape covered with electrodes that ionise air to create a plasma. This plasma is then accelerated by an electric field to push air around and generate lift.

Roy says the machine can be filled with helium to reduce its weight, and is efficient enough to be powered by onboard batteries. Its ability to hover and generate lift electronically means that it is particularly robust against gusts of wind that send other MAVs off course, says Roy.

All he needs to do now is build one and get it flying. Like other MAVs, the primary application would probably be surveillance, but a plasma flying saucer would make a great toy too.

Read the full wingless hovering micro-flyer patent application....

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Unread post by lizzie » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:39 pm

It is interesting to note that the Nazis scientists based their anti-gravity research on Einstein’s unified field theory (UTF) with parallelism, and that he might have been right after all. One has to wonder, too, if Einstein had any constraints place upon him to keep this research privy.


http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~aunzicker/ae1930.html

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