ESA's Planck sees tapestry of cold dust (or is it plasma?)

[MrAmsterdam]

Planck sees tapestry of cold dust
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Planck/SEMMN9CKP6G_0.html

Giant filaments of cold dust stretching through our Galaxy are revealed in a new image from ESA’s Planck satellite. Analysing these structures could help to determine the forces that shape our Galaxy and trigger star formation.
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The image shows the filamentary structure of dust in the solar neighbourhood – within about 500 light-years of the Sun. The local filaments are connected to the Milky Way, which is the pink horizontal feature near the bottom of the image. Here, the emission is coming from much further away, across the disc of our Galaxy.

The image has been colour coded to discern different temperatures of dust. White-pink tones show dust of a few tens of degrees above absolute zero, whereas the deeper colours are dust at around –261°C, only about 12 degrees above absolute zero. The warmer dust is concentrated into the plane of the Galaxy whereas the dust suspended above and below is cooler.

“What makes these structures have these particular shapes is not well understood,” says Jan Tauber, ESA Project Scientist for Planck. The denser parts are called molecular clouds while the more diffuse parts are ‘cirrus’. They consist of both dust and gas, although the gas does not show up directly in this image.

There are many forces at work in the Galaxy to help shape the molecular clouds and cirrus into these filamentary patterns. For example, on large scales the Galaxy rotates, creating spiral patterns of stars, dust, and gas. Gravity exerts an important influence, pulling on the dust and gas. Radiation and particle jets from stars push the dust and gas around, and magnetic fields also play a role, although to what extent is presently unclear.

It is a PLASMA universe. So I fixed your problem with magnetic fields. Would ESA have a job for me, please?

And look at another post on this forum;
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... 95&start=0

Cryogenic Electron Emission Phenomenon could explain the mechanism of electric currents in cold matter, right?

Dont you love this EU forum...!

The image spans about 50° of the sky. It is a three-colour combination constructed from Planck’s two highest frequency channels (557 and 857 GHz, corresponding to wavelengths of 540 and 350 micrometres), and an image at the shorter wavelength of 100 micrometres made by the IRAS satellite. This combination visualises dust temperature very effectively: red corresponds to temperatures as cold as 10° above absolute zero, and white to those of a few tens of degrees. Overall, the image shows local dust structures within 500 light-years of the Sun.

[junglelord]

We all know that plasma makes filimentary structures....some so called scientist have no idea...DAMN.

“What makes these structures have these particular shapes is not well understood,” says Jan Tauber, ESA Project Scientist for Planck. The denser parts are called molecular clouds while the more diffuse parts are ‘cirrus’. They consist of both dust and gas, although the gas does not show up directly in this image.

Well there is the problem as to why they cannot explain the geometry...they are using gas and dust physics...when looking at plasma physics....DOOH, DOOH, DOOH, DOOH, DOOH, DOOH, DOOH, AD INFINITUM...

The sad thing is, its not FUNNY anymore....its just RETARDED.

I am with Mr Amsterdam...I want a job.

[jjohnson]

From the article:

One puzzle to be solved is why there is similar filamentary structure on both the large and the small scale. “That’s a big question,” says Tauber.

Why, oh, why oh why??!!!

Simple logic. The Gravity Model can neither predict nor explain filamentary structures of dusty, grainy plasma. "The scientists" use the Gravity Model along with magnetohydrodynamcs, which Nobel laureate and MHD creator Hannes Alfven warned against trying to apply to cosmic plasma phenomena. The Electric Model uses electricity and its accompanying magnetic forces, along with gravity, to predict and explain filamentary structures and a whole lot else. Plasma phenomena, as seen in labs and industrial processes here on Earth as well as from similar large-scale observations from space, scale readily up and down over many orders of magnitude.

Scientists who use a paradigm which is incomplete and markedly different from that developed as the EU concept will be wringing their hands and patching their theory for years to come. -At least until they decide that perhaps gravity is not the sole force at work, and correctly connect their observations of magnetic fields with well-understood (but old and not sexy journalism or grant-fodder) electric science.

[Biggins]

I think I need to write a letter to Jan (fortunately I know him). Anoyne have any ideas on how to 'respectfully' put the EU point forward?

[StevenJay]

The sad thing is, its not FUNNY anymore....its just RETARDED.

I'm convinced that their collective ignorance and thick-headedness is a result of years of intense entrainment in a decidedly rigid, closed-minded environment. Most of these guys have probably either never heard of plasma cosmology, or if they have, it's likely been couched in sarcastic snickers and ridicule. Either way, they give it about the same consideration they'd give voodoo. . . which is none. The very same mind-set is rampant throughout the medical field, and for exactly the same reason.

Case in point: I recently had a brief exchange with a 20-something university student who's majoring in astrophysics. At one point, I mentioned the fact that the electric force is some 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity, to which he stated quite matter-of-factly, "I happen to know enough about physics to know that galactic-scale gravity fields are the only things powerful enough to bend "space-time."

I replied: With regard to "space," how does one go about bending "nothing?" Besides, how do you know it's straight in the first place?? And with regard to "time," how much force is required to bend an abstract human perception? (Answer: ACADEMIC REPETITION - and lots of it.)

Not surprisingly, I never heard another word. Possibly, his physics prof told him to ignore wingnuts like me. Or maybe I dented his world view enough to send him into intellectual melt-down.

[MrAmsterdam]

I think I need to write a letter to Jan (fortunately I know him). Anoyne have any ideas on how to 'respectfully' put the EU point forward?

There is one site that will impress him if his scientific eyes are wide open;

http://plasmascience.net/tpu/TheUniverse.html

- LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY - ASSOCIATED WITH THE IEEE NUCLEAR AND PLASMA SCIENCES SOCIETY

all descriptions and theories are based on empirical evidence in Electric Universe/plasma cosmology.
He can not argue with the lab results. they are observable and can be replicated.

Tell him that what he can see in the Planck's beautiful pictures can be recreated on a smaller scale in plasma labs.

tell him that in most friendly words you can use.

The standard model does not, its full of fictional unproven processes and mechanisms.

In between, I hope you read that Junglelord and myself are looking for a job at the ESA, please mention our names so he can invite us for a little introduction to the EU theory.

Im living in Amsterdam, I do not mind doing so. I can defend the EU theory smoothly and sufficiently in a discussion . ive been reading too much about it.

[solrey]

Hi Biggins. I guess how you would approach someone depends on the kind of rapport you already have and how open minded they tend to be. I would definitely focus on published papers related to plasma cosmology and plasma physics with subject matter (dusty plasma especially) relevant to the questions he already has. Ease in gently and avoid going into EU theories on EDM, electric sun and such. Stick to published science and avoid stuff on youtube, even the official EU vids. If they get the basic nuts and bolts of plasma cosmology the rest will follow in due course.

I'd take the approach of acknowledging that those are indeed good questions and you have similar questions. Humbly assert that you'd like him to look at some information you found that seems to be relevant and ask if it might help provide some answers.

I think these "mainstream" paper's are relevant to cold dusty plasma.

Self-similarity of plasma networking in a broad range of length scales: From laboratory to cosmic plasmas

Formation of structures in plasmas is a well recognized fact. The structuring is commonly associated with strong nonlinearities of various interactions of waves and particles and may be treated in terms of synergetics.1 It appears that the structuring exhibit lifetimes largely exceeding those predicted by the linear magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) in a near-equilibrium range of states. The latter is true of the filaments of electric current as they often appear to sustain their integrity as long as the plasma itself exists and to dominate in plasma dynamics.2,3 However, the role of filamentation in global plasma dynamics seems to be underestimated yet.

This paper seems to show evidence that cold dusty space plasma can "self-ionize" without adding external energy.
Cryogenic Electron Emission

At cryogenic temperature, the dark rate in a photomultiplier is caused by single electrons, emitted spontaneously from the cathode surface. This "cryogenic" dark rate increases with decreasing temperature down to at least 4 K. The average event rate is proportional to the area of the emitting surface and insensitive to the electric field at that surface. The electrons are emitted in bursts. The bursts are distributed randomly in time, but the events within a burst are highly correlated. The burst durations are distributed according to a power law. As the temperature decreases, the rate of bursts, as well as the number of events per burst, increase. The observed time distributions are indicative of a trap mechanism. So far, there is no physics explanation of the observed phenomenon.

Ultra Cold Gas Mimics Ultra Hot Plasma

Maybe you can dig up some similar relevant plasma physics research that helps provide a "mainstream" foundation to support the plasma cosmology papers.

There are several good papers on the published papers page of the Plasma Universe website. If you haven't read them yet, Peratt's "Advances in Numerical Modeling" and "Evolution of the Plasma Universe" papers are very good. Alfven of course.

Keep pluggin' away Biggins, paradigm shifts aren't easy.

[solrey]

Just remembered something Biggins. Take a look at this:


sideview of a plasma crystal in the laboratory

Look familiar?
Are you aware of the Plasma Crystal experiments aboard the ISS? Might want to pass that on to Jan.

[Siggy_G]

There is one site that will impress him if his scientific eyes are wide open;
http://plasmascience.net/tpu/TheUniverse.html (...)

By the way... While the site is good and informative, it would be great if it had more up-to-date web design. Not that it would alter its good scientific message, but people just seem to have a subjective feeling of a correlation between clean design and reliable content. There are so many sites out there that screams about weird personal theories, combined with out-of-date designs, and some plasma science sites could have a tendency of being accosiated with such. In any case, information comes better through when it is presented with clean layout and illustrations (such as NASA's site, this site, focus fusion site etc.). Of course, funding would have more easily have resulted in this.

[MrAmsterdam]

You really do not realise what is going on here.

Lately Im beginning to realise that Solrey is completely right.

Cryogenic Electron Emission Phenomenon in combination with the Plasma Crystals Experiment are the breakthrough for the electric universe / plasma cosmology model.

Observable evidence. Empirical science. Our sensors in space tell it. We see it in space and we see it in our labs. Replicated experiments. The puzzle fits. Its a breakthrough. Most definitely.

It's a dynamic universe. Its a universe with a abundance of energy.

[solrey]

I think we're on the right track anyways.

Here's another interesting correlation:

At cryogenic temperature, the dark rate in a photomultiplier is caused by single electrons, emitted spontaneously from the cathode surface. This "cryogenic" dark rate increases with decreasing temperature down to at least 4 K.

From How to turn a topological insulator into a superconductor

Superconductivity in these compounds was observed with standard resistivity and magnetization measurements that indicate a maximum transition temperature of around 4 K,

Charge carrier transport in organic semiconductors

To understand charge carrier transport in organic semiconductors the magnitude and anisotropy, as well as the temperature and eventual electric field dependence of the electron and of the hole mobility are fundamental parameters. A number of technical applications require high mobilities. A brief review is given on different experimental methods that can either directly measure charge carrier mobilities, or at least lead to an estimate. For high purity single crystals, a steep increase of mobilities towards low temperature with the consequence of nonlinear transport and final velocity saturation at elevated electric fields has been found and traced back to temperature-dependent electron and hole masses approaching the free electron mass at low temperature. This, and additional recent reports in literature on ultrahigh mobilities—with a number of exciting consequences, such as integer and fractional quantum Hall effect and even superconductivity in such materials as anthracene, tetracene, pentacene, and C60—are clear indications of band transport. With rising temperature electron–phonon coupling, and therefore the effective masses, increase and coherent band transport is gradually destroyed; polaron-hopping transport evolves as a parallel channel and dominates at sufficiently high temperature. For crystals with orientational disorder of the molecules band transport is precluded.

Seems to be a threshold at around 4 K. CMB (for what that's worth) is measured at around 3 K (again, for what that's worth). Makes me wonder though given Peratt's simulations produced a "background" temperature of around 3K, afaik. I can see the neutral atoms in cold gas arranging themselves in a crystaline structure, like an extended van der Waals type interaction, throw in the cyrogenic electron emission effect resulting in at least weak ionization and there you have highly mobile charge carriers in the crystal structure, resulting in the universe being a dynamic cryogenic plasma crystal.(?) An infinite semiconductor? The "dynamo" of the Electric Universe?

[earls]

"neutral atoms in cold gas arranging themselves in a crystaline structure"

Actually, the crystalline structure reminds me of stars - you just have to get them in a swirl pattern. and I'd say we're all but there regarding galaxy formation.

[earls]

http://www.mpe.mpg.de/theory/annrep2006 ... ig1_MK.jpg

http://www.sandia.gov/pcnsc/images/pcxt ... wx268h.gif

Just needs to spin.

[MrAmsterdam]

Mr Biggins, are you going to keep us in the loop with your communication to the Planck group?

Yes, I'm very curious...about their findings and interpretations...

[Biggins]

Mr Biggins, are you going to keep us in the loop with your communication to the Planck group?

Yes, I'm very curious...about their findings and interpretations...

As much as I can. Obviously since I used to work with them, and still work with the Herschel group, there is only so much I can say. Basically all science is given to the respective instrument groups, with only a small amount given out over time. This is mainly so that those that put the time and money into the project are allowed to publish the first papers.