Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?
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* The diagram I posted above explains the uplift and basalt flooding of western North America very well. Electrical forces caused the splitting of the supercontinent and the sliding of the pieces. They were also involved before, during and after the sliding in shaping the continental features. Before the sliding electrical forces pulverized rock into sand and powder and, probably recently aided by the Great Flood, laid them down as rock strata. During and after the sliding electrical forces shaped the mountains and valleys. Has anyone bothered to check out the http://newgeology.us site?
* Expanding Earth theory doesn't explain how the plates of the Earth get a beveled edge, referred to as subduction zones. It was caused by the plates sliding against and over each other. An Expanding Earth would not produce such bevels.
* I pointed out elsewhere that, if EDM or Electrical Erosion[?] removed the missing mass of the Atlantic Ocean, rock formations and fossil types would not match well on opposite shores of the Atlantic, but one of our experts has stated that they match very well. So Electrical Shock Dynamics likely explains things best.
* Expanding Earth theory doesn't explain how the plates of the Earth get a beveled edge, referred to as subduction zones. It was caused by the plates sliding against and over each other. An Expanding Earth would not produce such bevels.
* I pointed out elsewhere that, if EDM or Electrical Erosion[?] removed the missing mass of the Atlantic Ocean, rock formations and fossil types would not match well on opposite shores of the Atlantic, but one of our experts has stated that they match very well. So Electrical Shock Dynamics likely explains things best.
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Hola Lloyd: Once again i'm confused. I've never uttered the phrase Expanding Earth. Not once.
* Expanding Earth theory doesn't explain how the plates of the Earth get a beveled edge, referred to as subduction zones. It was caused by the plates sliding against and over each other. An Expanding Earth would not produce such bevels.
Where the hell did that come from?
I have no clue as to what Electro Shock Dynamics means.
I don't know what Sliding Electrical Forces are.
I think it would be wonderful if we could agree that we disagree.
You might want to start a thread about rapid subduction and your other theories.
Be well, michael
* Expanding Earth theory doesn't explain how the plates of the Earth get a beveled edge, referred to as subduction zones. It was caused by the plates sliding against and over each other. An Expanding Earth would not produce such bevels.
Where the hell did that come from?
I have no clue as to what Electro Shock Dynamics means.
I don't know what Sliding Electrical Forces are.
I think it would be wonderful if we could agree that we disagree.
You might want to start a thread about rapid subduction and your other theories.
Be well, michael
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I'm on an iMac, so what I do is type everything up in TextEdit until I'm happy, then cut and paste to the message box. Use whatever text system that you are comfortable with, but write everything offline first. I've lost too many messages over the years to trust online posting.
ancientd, I like the style of the video. I watched all three and the only thing that bothered me was the jump in sound quality as the samples were chopped up. Invest in good sound quality and you can be forgiven much. Plus, use complete, uncut clips for your samples online. I'm here in the US, and we are conditioned to listen to someone with that accent. The accent, and the enthusiasm, catches our attention.
On your web site, you might point to links in Google Maps to the specific examples you want us to see. Putting links here in the threads is temporary, as the thread vanishes over time.
For the past few days I've been watching the DVD of Secrets of the Dead: Catastrophe!
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/html/e1-about.html
It's based on the book by David Keyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Keys_(author)
His event was Krakatoa blowing in the 6th century AD. It had similar damage locally to what you describe, but caused global cooling, collapsing civilizations world wide.
Extreme weather events of 535–536
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_changes_of_535–536
Look at "Krakatoa, Indonesia" in Google Maps. You can see it. Oh, that is neat.
Then just for fun I started looking at the years on Wiki starting in 1421, and worked my way up to 1510 before I stopped. I started looking in the year 1421 because of the book 1421: The Year China Discovered the World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1421:_The_ ... _the_World
If you go year by year after that point, you find the following key events.
1434
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1434
1448
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1448
1452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1452
Kuwae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwae
That event caused extreme weather world wide that once again shattered empires and changed history like Keys mentioned in Catastrophe.
Then Halley's Comet showed up in:
1456
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1456
Then another in 1491
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491
ancientd, I like the style of the video. I watched all three and the only thing that bothered me was the jump in sound quality as the samples were chopped up. Invest in good sound quality and you can be forgiven much. Plus, use complete, uncut clips for your samples online. I'm here in the US, and we are conditioned to listen to someone with that accent. The accent, and the enthusiasm, catches our attention.
On your web site, you might point to links in Google Maps to the specific examples you want us to see. Putting links here in the threads is temporary, as the thread vanishes over time.
For the past few days I've been watching the DVD of Secrets of the Dead: Catastrophe!
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/html/e1-about.html
It's based on the book by David Keyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Keys_(author)
His event was Krakatoa blowing in the 6th century AD. It had similar damage locally to what you describe, but caused global cooling, collapsing civilizations world wide.
Extreme weather events of 535–536
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_changes_of_535–536
Look at "Krakatoa, Indonesia" in Google Maps. You can see it. Oh, that is neat.
Then just for fun I started looking at the years on Wiki starting in 1421, and worked my way up to 1510 before I stopped. I started looking in the year 1421 because of the book 1421: The Year China Discovered the World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1421:_The_ ... _the_World
If you go year by year after that point, you find the following key events.
1434
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1434
and then work your way up year by year to:In Ming Dynasty China, a long episode of drought, flood, locust infestation, and famine cripple agriculture and commerce in areas throughout China, a bad spell that will last until 1448.
1448
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1448
The bad weather could have been caused by some local plasma event. Then in 1452, there was a major volcanic eruption off the east coast of Australia.After a long episode of drought, flood, locust infestation, and famine in Ming Dynasty China since the year 1434, these natural afflictions finally wane and agriculture and commerce return to a state of normality.
1452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1452
Kuwae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwae
That event caused extreme weather world wide that once again shattered empires and changed history like Keys mentioned in Catastrophe.
Then Halley's Comet showed up in:
1456
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1456
Then another in 1491
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491
I look forward to seeing the Ancient Destruction videos to see what events you are talking about.The "Comet of 1491" comes 873,784 miles (1,406,219 km) away from earth, the closest ever recorded.
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allynli and other serious cynics . Enthralled to see the duel between Lloyd and my Velokovskian mate. Can't wait for the next bout. Anyway I repeat the offer to post free DVD's of ancient destructions 2 episodes ( one on Baalbek's destruction the other on Mega Tsunami Melbourne 1500 Ad ) to interested parties provided they give a critique in return. Send your adress to p.jupp@ ugrad.unimelb.edu.au and be entertained . Wal Thornhill is in both movies at his convincing best.
And by the way if anyone thinks that world catastrophes are resticted to the Saturn event they best read a bit of mythology and read up on Claude Schaeffers work . Peter Mungo Jupp
And by the way if anyone thinks that world catastrophes are resticted to the Saturn event they best read a bit of mythology and read up on Claude Schaeffers work . Peter Mungo Jupp
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ancientd, I'm sorry if my post came across as cynical, it was not intended as such. I suspect that much of the problems in the thread are because many of the people are referring to older discussions on other threads, and we end up speaking passed each other by using familiar jargon. Plus, it is all too easy to look at the posts in the thread and see it as a linear discussion, when in reality it is a jumble, with one post referring to something said ten posts back. The way to fix that is to be able to post replies directly to the relevant post, i.e., to create subthreads, but the Forum isn't set up that way. Until then, we have to read through the jumble as best we can.
From your earlier post I didn't realize that you were offering free DVDs for review. I'll send an e-mail about the free DVD offer, and be happy to help do a critique on what you've done.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I suspect that we are many different people separated by a common language.
From your earlier post I didn't realize that you were offering free DVDs for review. I'll send an e-mail about the free DVD offer, and be happy to help do a critique on what you've done.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I suspect that we are many different people separated by a common language.
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Hello everyone: Moab is a wonderful place. Very expensive motels but a very nice/funky hostel. The area is covered with Petrified Dunes. It's an area that would flood repeatedly. The Colorado River runs through the North end of town. Just South East of town is a good example of an admitted rock/dune.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15
I'm standing SW of Ken's Lake looking NE at the dune.
The right side of the formation is rounded like a normal dune. The left side is zapped into a rock cliff. The termination point is quite crisp. Sorry for such a tiny file. This gives some idea of the results of a River of Fire. It also allows you to see inside of a dune.
michael
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15
I'm standing SW of Ken's Lake looking NE at the dune.
The right side of the formation is rounded like a normal dune. The left side is zapped into a rock cliff. The termination point is quite crisp. Sorry for such a tiny file. This gives some idea of the results of a River of Fire. It also allows you to see inside of a dune.
michael
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Just North of the previous dune. This is Castle Valley.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 2&t=p&z=14
This is one of the round features i mentiond yesterday. It looks burnt. Not sure of the rock type. Most of the area is Sandstone. This looks like Basalt, but i'm guessing.
michael
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 2&t=p&z=14
This is one of the round features i mentiond yesterday. It looks burnt. Not sure of the rock type. Most of the area is Sandstone. This looks like Basalt, but i'm guessing.
michael
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I hate it when an hour's worth of careful thought and typing goes down the cybertube... I've had trouble with the edit feature also... in my last post there are several edits that did not go after I changed my sentences/wording...
Hey Starbiter,
When you get to Utah and environs, now we're talking duning processes big time.
I studied several of the canyons and arches areas on two different trips through that amazing region.
Evidence of duning is visible throughout the state, with the additional note that basalt is indeed present between [or actually atop] layers of sandstone here and there. That plateau area is of a different process than the Columbia River plateau, however... the Col R "basin" area is multilayered lava with interposed sedimentary deposits, carved by the post glacial floods, whereas the canyonlands of Utah are multilayered flood and wind deposited sands interposed by an occasional basalt eruption, carved by runoff. There are a few volcanic vent sites in the northwestern basalt plateaus, "Craters of the Moon" in Idaho is one notable example. When you speak of "mountains" I have to go with mountain "ranges" nearly all of which are the clear result of uplift and folding. The smaller appalachian chain is a particularly good example of a folded range with less notable uplift features, whereas the Rockies and coastal ranges, like the Cascades and Olympics in Washington, are well-documented uplift mountains, with occasional remarkable folding features. In addition the North Cascades and related mountains are heavily metamorphosed due to pressure/heat, not at all a duning process.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not claiming eons of time for this! Eons of time are strictly the product of the assumptions of uniformitarians, which I am not.
Hey Starbiter,
When you get to Utah and environs, now we're talking duning processes big time.
I studied several of the canyons and arches areas on two different trips through that amazing region.
Evidence of duning is visible throughout the state, with the additional note that basalt is indeed present between [or actually atop] layers of sandstone here and there. That plateau area is of a different process than the Columbia River plateau, however... the Col R "basin" area is multilayered lava with interposed sedimentary deposits, carved by the post glacial floods, whereas the canyonlands of Utah are multilayered flood and wind deposited sands interposed by an occasional basalt eruption, carved by runoff. There are a few volcanic vent sites in the northwestern basalt plateaus, "Craters of the Moon" in Idaho is one notable example. When you speak of "mountains" I have to go with mountain "ranges" nearly all of which are the clear result of uplift and folding. The smaller appalachian chain is a particularly good example of a folded range with less notable uplift features, whereas the Rockies and coastal ranges, like the Cascades and Olympics in Washington, are well-documented uplift mountains, with occasional remarkable folding features. In addition the North Cascades and related mountains are heavily metamorphosed due to pressure/heat, not at all a duning process.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not claiming eons of time for this! Eons of time are strictly the product of the assumptions of uniformitarians, which I am not.
Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.
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Thanks for your interest Webo: Moab is cool.
I've stressed this model from the beginning. I've tried to attack it. It's held up in spite of my best efforts. The best case i can make against folding is not the mountains. It's where the mountains aren't.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 77&t=p&z=9
This valley is flat as can be. It would drain to the South. The Rio Grand starts here. If folding was the process, why would a drainage area have not a hill. If the process was folding there should be mountains there. Drainage would not effect folding. The formation of mountains was prevented by areas being submerged. If you go North from here you begin to see hills. It dried out before the valley. There was still dirt in the air.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 7&t=p&z=12
You can look all over the planet, drainage shapes mountains.
Just drive around any place with hills, and mountains. Say om. You'll see it. Vegas is probably the best place to see this. It's the south end of the Basin, with a drain into the Colorado. That technically means it's not a basin, but that's a technicality.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 9&t=p&z=10
It's not one thing that i'm looking at. Ít's the whole package.
There are 12 step programs for folding.
I almost wish there were a 12 step program for duning.
Good news from CO mike, the Geology, Prospector, Smelter, Archaeologist Dude. He answered my call. He has done some testing. Did not get crystals. He will continue on warm days. His shop has no windows, and he's at 8000 feet. When he did the original testing quite a few years ago, the Granite production was an accident with no commercial purpose. He couldn't find anybody to tell about the process. No one cared. Kind of like me. He didn't document the process. He was trying to smelt Silver and Gold. Instead of releasing the metals, he locked them up in a rock.
He has no computer. If anyone has a laptop they don't need please let me know. Please ask you friends. It would be just for email , Google and this thread. Could be quite old. We think he has access to the net. He could join the thread. He has a wealth of info.
michael
I've stressed this model from the beginning. I've tried to attack it. It's held up in spite of my best efforts. The best case i can make against folding is not the mountains. It's where the mountains aren't.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 77&t=p&z=9
This valley is flat as can be. It would drain to the South. The Rio Grand starts here. If folding was the process, why would a drainage area have not a hill. If the process was folding there should be mountains there. Drainage would not effect folding. The formation of mountains was prevented by areas being submerged. If you go North from here you begin to see hills. It dried out before the valley. There was still dirt in the air.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 7&t=p&z=12
You can look all over the planet, drainage shapes mountains.
Just drive around any place with hills, and mountains. Say om. You'll see it. Vegas is probably the best place to see this. It's the south end of the Basin, with a drain into the Colorado. That technically means it's not a basin, but that's a technicality.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 9&t=p&z=10
It's not one thing that i'm looking at. Ít's the whole package.
There are 12 step programs for folding.
I almost wish there were a 12 step program for duning.
Good news from CO mike, the Geology, Prospector, Smelter, Archaeologist Dude. He answered my call. He has done some testing. Did not get crystals. He will continue on warm days. His shop has no windows, and he's at 8000 feet. When he did the original testing quite a few years ago, the Granite production was an accident with no commercial purpose. He couldn't find anybody to tell about the process. No one cared. Kind of like me. He didn't document the process. He was trying to smelt Silver and Gold. Instead of releasing the metals, he locked them up in a rock.
He has no computer. If anyone has a laptop they don't need please let me know. Please ask you friends. It would be just for email , Google and this thread. Could be quite old. We think he has access to the net. He could join the thread. He has a wealth of info.
michael
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Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION
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And makes the seasons clear
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Fire in the lake: the image of REVOLUTION
Thus the superior man
Sets the calender in order
And makes the seasons clear
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I went looking for "Claude Schaeffer" and found this essay over at the Velikovsky website, and not much else. If you can suggest key titles, I will try to track them down.ancientd wrote: And by the way if anyone thinks that world catastrophes are resticted to the Saturn event they best read a bit of mythology and read up on Claude Schaeffers work.
While reading the Claude Schaeffer essay I went looking on Amazon again and found that three Velikovsky books have recently been reissued by Paradigma Publishing.
Immanuel Velikovsky
http://www.paradigma-publishing.com/books1.html
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* I didn't say you said that. I was responding to Allyn's earlier post in which he was promoting the Expanding Earth idea. So far I don't think he's said anything in answer to what I mentioned about beveled plate edges as evidence against it.Michael said: Once again i'm confused. I've never uttered the phrase Expanding Earth. Not once.
* Seems to me there's a lot of things in the package that you haven't looked at.It's not one thing that i'm looking at. Ít's the whole package.
* I gave the link for the Shock Dynamics site twice, but no one seems to look at it. http://newgeology.us. That's really the whole package.
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allynh Schaeffer the unsung genius. I personally have a compilation on my website . http://www.ancientdestructions.com.au) under mentors. This is borrowed from a number of authors. He also appears in ''earth in upheaval''( Velikovsky). His own book '' Stratigraphie comparee et chronologie de l’Asie occidentale'', is great provided you can read French. The Velikovsky archive is enlightening if you go to personal coorespondance with Schaeffer and Velikovsky. They became friends and apparently travelled with their wives in Europe. But to me Velikovsky was the great practical theorist and researcher ( tautology here) where Schaeffer was eminently practical. I really think that Harvey Weiss and Amos Ben Nur ( I think the spelling is correct) in many ways took up the threads of his work which was astoundingly original but solidly based on practical on the site observations( He toured much of the middle East and Europe as a working archaeologist for the French government). He actually urged Velokovsky to get his hands dirty. Both exceptional people. As they say in the movies "no one talks like that anymore''..Also if I reemnber rightly Alfred de Grazia has a section on him . To tightly encapsulate his achievment it was the revalation that the Middle East, Europe and beyond had been devastaed a number of times ( a minimum of six and more that he never got around to defining ) There was huge reductions in population and massive devastation from,earthquakes,flods,ash deluge,volcanoes,famines and burning ( see Ugarit -Syria)?????. He never went down the path of EU but certainly made a case that archaeology was not driven by human imperitives.He still maintained that the Egyptian King List chronology was essentially correct so he and Velikovsky disagreed on the absolute chronology but not on the relative chronology. In all he clarified the evidence for massive ancient destructions by '''NATURE'' ( whatever we perceive that to be ).
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arc-us posted a link over on the Fulgurites & Mars Tubes thread that is exactly what I was talking about earlier.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5824944516#
starbiter, watch the whole video and tell me that parts of it don't remind you of what you've seen in the real world, and on Google Maps that you have posted.
When I talk about plasma mixing and shaping the crust, that is it. You have sound, and plasma harmonics, making everything happen. Add in electrical machining, and my patented Growing Earth, and you've got a planetary surface.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5824944516#
starbiter, watch the whole video and tell me that parts of it don't remind you of what you've seen in the real world, and on Google Maps that you have posted.
When I talk about plasma mixing and shaping the crust, that is it. You have sound, and plasma harmonics, making everything happen. Add in electrical machining, and my patented Growing Earth, and you've got a planetary surface.
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Yikes, just saw Lloyds post about "beveled edges". Sorry, I didn't know that it was for me. (Talk about "jumbled posts", we are doing just that.)
Lloyd, With the Growing Earth stuff, there are no "beveled edges" to the continents, no subduction. In the older thread where we talked about the "Newgeology" site and "Shock Dynamics", I mentioned that no one has ever found an actual "subduction zone". They are simply theoretical, like black holes. I like Growing Earth Theory because it fits all the physical facts best.
Now back to making more jumbles.
Lloyd, With the Growing Earth stuff, there are no "beveled edges" to the continents, no subduction. In the older thread where we talked about the "Newgeology" site and "Shock Dynamics", I mentioned that no one has ever found an actual "subduction zone". They are simply theoretical, like black holes. I like Growing Earth Theory because it fits all the physical facts best.
Now back to making more jumbles.
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Oh, I see. I didn't see any of the links along the top of the page when I first watched the Youtube videos. When you asked people to look at the video introduction, I went straight into the video on the first page and then jumped to your page on Youtube. That's all I saw. The tabs must not have loaded when I first went in.ancientd wrote: I personally have a compilation on my website . http://www.ancientdestructions.com.au) under mentors.
I will go through the various links and see what you've got.
Thanks...
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