Electric Volcanoes
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Re: Sarychev Volcano
While I am convinced of the basic truth of the electric universe, in this case no electrical explanation is necessary. The hole in the clouds can be explained by a rising column of warm air above the volcano.
I've lived long enough to see nearly everything I ever believed to be true disproved at least once.
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Re: Sarychev Volcano
But, to me anyway, it doesn't really look like that, does it? If the layer of clouds had somehow been drawn into the central aperture by convection, as I think you're suggesting, wouldn't you expect to see wisps and streams of clouds stretching inwards and upwards, rather than the clean, sharp, circular transition that's evident in the imagery?popster1 wrote:While I am convinced of the basic truth of the electric universe, in this case no electrical explanation is necessary. The hole in the clouds can be explained by a rising column of warm air above the volcano.
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Re: Sarychev Volcano
Thank you, Dave! That was exactly what I was trying to get at, but you said it better.
Mike H.
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Japanese Volcano shows off some Volcanic Lightning
Lightning and fire: Japan on alert after volcano's biggest eruption in 50 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1CFsqsxFR
Fantastic volcanic ligntning pic.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1CFsqsxFR
Fantastic volcanic ligntning pic.
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Electric Volcanoes?
Interesting article about volcanoes here originally from Nature.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/20 ... explained/
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/20 ... explained/
Maybe there is an electrical explanation as to why all vocanoes vibrate at similar frequencies prior to eruption. The phenomena certainly doesn't support a mechanical effect when you consider the different sizes, pressure and differing material involved at different eruptions.No matter their size or shape, explosive volcanoes produce tremors at similar frequencies for minutes, days or weeks before they erupt. In the Feb. 24 issue of the journal Nature, researchers at Yale University and the University of British Columbia (UBC) describe a model that explains this strange phenomenon – and may help forecast deadly eruptions.
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Re: Electric Volcanoes?
interesting...with a frequency range of 0.5 to 7 HZ, they are just below telluric currents, from what i know about them. I don't see why that range of frequencies could not be mechanical.
Theta (4-7hz) brain waves are in that range.
Theta (4-7hz) brain waves are in that range.
Side note: Maybe that is why animals are alarmed by dangerous natural events?The human body is particularly sensitive to vibrations and infrasound near 7 Hz, at which frequency there is an overall mechanical resonance of organs -
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No I don't dispute they could be mechanical. The point is why are all volcanoes, irrespective of their size etc., at the same frequency? That doesn't equate to a mechanical explanation.Sparky wrote:interesting...with a frequency range of 0.5 to 7 HZ, they are just below telluric currents, from what i know about them. I don't see why that range of frequencies could not be mechanical.
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Maybe looking at the size of the volcano is a distraction, and the size of the earth trumps it?..Aardwolf wrote:No I don't dispute they could be mechanical. The point is why are all volcanoes, irrespective of their size etc., at the same frequency? That doesn't equate to a mechanical explanation.Sparky wrote:interesting...with a frequency range of 0.5 to 7 HZ, they are just below telluric currents, from what i know about them. I don't see why that range of frequencies could not be mechanical.
that range of freq. is what one would expect from the earth, and the .5 to 7 hz are very low rumblings...to me indicative of mechanical shifting of a huge objects...
i don't know how to say it, but for "earth noises", that may be a very wide range of frequencies...now if that is true, then one would have to see a frequency span of less than 1hz to say that they are similar...i don't know..just guessing.
an answer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3701944.stm
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Re: Electric Volcanoes?
Wouldn't all this have something to do with remnant electric currents that are still circulating within the Earth and which were probably induced by earlier encounters with exo-terrestrial planets not so long ago?
If the Earth is an electrified body, which I believe it to be (based on real evidence), then the causations of this induced electrification needs to be investigated.
For sure, in my understanding, volcanic eruptions have much to do with the electric force/potential difference between the Earth and that existing beyond the upper atmosphere, but there is still an unexplained phenomenon that permeates the inner mantle and core of the Earth that is also a contributing factor.
Just a few thoughts.
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If the Earth is an electrified body, which I believe it to be (based on real evidence), then the causations of this induced electrification needs to be investigated.
For sure, in my understanding, volcanic eruptions have much to do with the electric force/potential difference between the Earth and that existing beyond the upper atmosphere, but there is still an unexplained phenomenon that permeates the inner mantle and core of the Earth that is also a contributing factor.
Just a few thoughts.
Cheers,
John
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The article stated that the range is between 0.5 and 2 for up to 2 weeks prior to eruption. The larger 0.5 to 7 range only occurs just prior to the eruption. Probably because there is structural movement at that point.Sparky wrote:that range of freq. is what one would expect from the earth, and the .5 to 7 hz are very low rumblings...to me indicative of mechanical shifting of a huge objects...
i don't know how to say it, but for "earth noises", that may be a very wide range of frequencies...now if that is true, then one would have to see a frequency span of less than 1hz to say that they are similar...i don't know..just guessing.
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yes, that is true, but is it of importance since they and we are speculating? I would expect structural movements at each stage of an eruption. Even before and after!Aardwolf wrote:The article stated that the range is between 0.5 and 2 for up to 2 weeks prior to eruption. The larger 0.5 to 7 range only occurs just prior to the eruption. Probably because there is structural movement at that point.Sparky wrote:that range of freq. is what one would expect from the earth, and the .5 to 7 hz are very low rumblings...to me indicative of mechanical shifting of a huge objects...
i don't know how to say it, but for "earth noises", that may be a very wide range of frequencies...now if that is true, then one would have to see a frequency span of less than 1hz to say that they are similar...i don't know..just guessing.
Now, electrical forces may initiate all of this and play a continuing role, but with such huge movements of mass, i think the vibrations are more likely mechanical, mass responding to force.
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Re: Electric Volcanos
This thread is a composite of the following threads:
Eyjafjallajökull volcano lightning
Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Eyjafjallajökull volcano lightning
Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
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Re: Electric Volcanoes?
This thread is combined with the following threads:
Japanese Volcano shows off some Volcanic Lightning
Sarychev Volcano
Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth
Japanese Volcano shows off some Volcanic Lightning
Sarychev Volcano
Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth
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Re: Electric Volcanos
The National Geographic had a good article on the Nyiragongo Volcano this month (April 2011) and covered some of the gasses and radon testing they were doing. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... kel-text/1
Their statement "volcanoes are gas driven machines" is thought provoking and brings to mind a statement made by Stephen Smith in his Mar 18, 2011, Earthquakes and Volcanos article, "magma can be considered a form of liquid plasma, it can also conduct electricity."
Is it possible for the gasses to become Ionized at some point thus making the volcano a plasma machine? Also the artical made no mention of any electrical phenomena, but should there be some electrical testing going on as well. If changes in gasses can be a way of predicting an erruption, shouldn't magnetic readings be taken along with?
Regards, Rosco
Their statement "volcanoes are gas driven machines" is thought provoking and brings to mind a statement made by Stephen Smith in his Mar 18, 2011, Earthquakes and Volcanos article, "magma can be considered a form of liquid plasma, it can also conduct electricity."
Is it possible for the gasses to become Ionized at some point thus making the volcano a plasma machine? Also the artical made no mention of any electrical phenomena, but should there be some electrical testing going on as well. If changes in gasses can be a way of predicting an erruption, shouldn't magnetic readings be taken along with?
Regards, Rosco
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Re: Electric Volcanos
Here is one from a few days ago, in Japan. In the top left frame you see lots
of lightning, and a few white spots above that I think are the ball lightning
that some people say are UFOs. I don't think they are stars, or helicopters,
they seem to fade in and out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmBFYskG ... ture=feedu
fields, fluxes, whatever can be detected. Would we see a proton 'tornado'
touching down, an electron dome over the area, or what?
of lightning, and a few white spots above that I think are the ball lightning
that some people say are UFOs. I don't think they are stars, or helicopters,
they seem to fade in and out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmBFYskG ... ture=feedu
I wonder why they don't have instruments flying above these locations measuring...but should there be some electrical testing going on as well.
fields, fluxes, whatever can be detected. Would we see a proton 'tornado'
touching down, an electron dome over the area, or what?
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