Electric Earthquakes

[Doureios]

Hi all,

I'm here to report some new findings on electric earthquakes.

There is currently a research going on in the department of Electircal Engineering of the Uniersity of Thrace (DUTH) in Greece by the team of Dr. George Anagnostopoulos (actually he is a priest).

Their research results in a new model for earthquake prediction based on electron flux measured in space by the DEMETER satelite. They found out that for a period of weeks before a major earthquake there is a flow of electrons originating from the Van Allen belt towards the area of the incoming earthquake.

Few days before the earthquake the flow decreases and few hours before the earthquake stops. The behaviour is stable and observable for all major earthquakes (above 6.5 R).

Unfortunatelly there is no paper yet on their research and the only available links are in Greek so i will not provide any now. Soon there will be some papers thought.

For me this flow of electrons points to a voltage difference between the Van Allen belt and the earthquake area that builts up few week before the event and as the voltage at the earthquake area increases this difference drops and finally stops to exists as the dielectric breakdown occurs in the rocks that cause the quake.

For those not familiar with the electric process of earthquakes there is a very interesting paper of another Greek scientist S. Tassou that can be found here: http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... tassos.pdf

Have fun.

[Birkeland]

...for a period of weeks before a major earthquake there is a flow of electrons originating from the Van Allen belt towards the area of the incoming earthquake. Few days before the earthquake the flow decreases and few hours before the earthquake stops. The behaviour is stable and observable for all major earthquakes (above 6.5 R).

Maybe there is a correlation between the electron flow from the Van Allen Belt and solar activity as well?

[solrey]

Welcome doureios. Thank you for posting that information and the link to that fascinating paper by Tassou. That's pretty much how I see EU applied to Earth geology, and particle physics. Interesting that they delve into wave functions, particularly standing waves, to describe particle physics, and the following which explains wave/particle duality and the speed of light constant.

Any traveling wave, be that a photon or a seismic wave, moving at a medium’s characteristic speed, i.e., the maximum elastic deformation rate for that elastic medium, after the initial first oscillation cycle; it carries within it an integral standing wave form-‘‘matter’’, caused by the mediums inertial elastic deformation response.

I believe Maxwell's original quaternion equations contained formulas for electric elasticity. A significant missing component after Heavisides butchering I might add.

It also fits in with my own ideas regarding standing wave components that are protons, neutrons and electrons being organized together in such a way that the structure of atoms behave as transmitters/receivers. The electron clouds are concentric shells of standing waves, each with a band gap much like a Lakhovsky coil.

Birkeland wrote:

Maybe there is a correlation between the electron flow from the Van Allen Belt and solar activity as well?

Good question. The answer is yes. Are you familiar with so called "killer electrons"?

Take a bunch of fast-moving electrons, place them in orbit and then hit them with the shock waves from a solar storm. What do you get? Killer electrons. That’s the shocking recipe revealed by ESA’s Cluster mission.

Probably more like an Alfven wave, but the effect is the same.
I think if a localized subsurface electric field is already present, the increase in electron energy and density triggered by a solar storm could add to the total power of the discharge, or maybe even trigger a "swarm" of minor earthquakes. Due to the toroidal belt of available electrons encircling Earth, enhanced activity could have an effect anywhere on Earth at anytime, probably within a week or two, after a solar storm. I think that would be hard to predict without monitoring where the electron flow from the radiation belt into the Earth might be concentrated and what the charge density is. Or it might trigger/feed storms in the atmosphere, like tropical cyclones and tornado outbreaks, instead of initiating/feeding an earthquake.

cheers

[ElecGeekMom]

Is the earth's toroidal belt oriented along the earth's equator, or along the sun's ecliptic plane?

[solrey]

Is the earth's toroidal belt oriented along the earth's equator, or along the sun's ecliptic plane?

The radiation belts are oriented to Earths equator. However, they are quite wide and extend to somewhere around 70deg. latitude North and South so the electron flux into the Earth could happen pretty much anywhere.

[Siggy_G]

I was wondering about the same thing, but as solrey says, they are alligned along the Earth's rotational axis and magnetic field:



And since auroras are a part of the same process, these images show the allignment:



But this image is contradictive, so slightly unsure:



Article on the subject:
http://eiger.physics.uiowa.edu/~vis/conjugate_aurora/

[solrey]

Doh. Thanks for reminding me of something Siggy. I was in a hurry and forgot the detail of the radiation belts being oriented to Earths magnetic "equator". Since the magnetic pole axis is offset from the spin axis the radiation belts are also offset accordingly.

cheers

[webolife]

Not contradictive, Siggy... Saturn's magnetic axis is aligned with its rotation axis. Earth's isn't. There's as much a mechanism for continental drift in this one fact as someone could need.

[CTJG 1986]

Just thought I'd mention the possible earthquake that just hit Quebec and Ontario Canada about 45 minutes ago as it's the first time I've ever actually felt one myself.

Anybody else feel it?

Links(that don't contain much info yet):

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-2 ... ports.html

http://www.trurodaily.com/Canada---Worl ... ,-Quebec/1

EDIT: More info here - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... 10xwa7.php

Magnitude 5.5

Date-Time

* Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at 01:41:41 PM at epicenter

Location - 45.866°N, 75.457°W
Depth - 15.7 km (9.8 miles) set by location program
Region - ONTARIO-QUEBEC BORDER REGION, CANADA
Distances

* 39 km (24 miles) N (356°) from Cumberland, Ontario, Canada
* 45 km (28 miles) NNE (21°) from Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
* 52 km (32 miles) NNE (26°) from Hull, Quebec, Canada
* 53 km (33 miles) NNE (21°) from OTTAWA, Ontario, Canada

[Adolfo Giurfa]

Solrey:

The magnetic equatorial line passes at a southern latitude of -12 degrees.

[Adolfo Giurfa]

Just thought I'd mention the possible earthquake that just hit Quebec and Ontario Canada about 45 minutes ago as it's the first time I've ever actually felt one myself.

Anybody else feel it?

Links(that don't contain much info yet):

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-2 ... ports.html

http://www.trurodaily.com/Canada---Worl ... ,-Quebec/1

EDIT: More info here - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... 10xwa7.php

Magnitude 5.5

Date-Time

* Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at 01:41:41 PM at epicenter

Location - 45.866°N, 75.457°W
Depth - 15.7 km (9.8 miles) set by location program
Region - ONTARIO-QUEBEC BORDER REGION, CANADA
Distances

* 39 km (24 miles) N (356°) from Cumberland, Ontario, Canada
* 45 km (28 miles) NNE (21°) from Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
* 52 km (32 miles) NNE (26°) from Hull, Quebec, Canada
* 53 km (33 miles) NNE (21°) from OTTAWA, Ontario, Canada

Now you need one above 8.0 Richter to really enjoy it!
BTW I would suggest you to see this:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AT-GMF.gif
Now, as you see, there are, really, two north poles: One in Hudson Bay and the other in Siberia.
Interesting times indeed!

[CTJG 1986]

Just thought I'd mention the possible earthquake that just hit Quebec and Ontario Canada about 45 minutes ago as it's the first time I've ever actually felt one myself.

Anybody else feel it?

Links(that don't contain much info yet):

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-2 ... ports.html

http://www.trurodaily.com/Canada---Worl ... ,-Quebec/1

EDIT: More info here - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... 10xwa7.php

Magnitude 5.5

Date-Time

* Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at 01:41:41 PM at epicenter

Location - 45.866°N, 75.457°W
Depth - 15.7 km (9.8 miles) set by location program
Region - ONTARIO-QUEBEC BORDER REGION, CANADA
Distances

* 39 km (24 miles) N (356°) from Cumberland, Ontario, Canada
* 45 km (28 miles) NNE (21°) from Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
* 52 km (32 miles) NNE (26°) from Hull, Quebec, Canada
* 53 km (33 miles) NNE (21°) from OTTAWA, Ontario, Canada

Now you need one above 8.0 Richter to really enjoy it!
BTW I would suggest you to see this:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AT-GMF.gif
Now, as you see, there are, really, two north poles: One in Hudson Bay and the other in Siberia.
Interesting times indeed!

I would love to experience an 8.0 or higher quake, just somewhere out in the open away from any dangerous debris or collapsing buildings or gas-leak fires, etc.

Thanks for the link, while I was aware of the dual north pole issue that is the best graphic I've seen for it so far and in my view that issue has to play into this somehow. It certainly makes you think beyond what the mainstream wants us thinking about...

'Interesting times indeed!' - now that's an understatement.

[MrAmsterdam]

Hi Matt,

I like that kind of reasoning: same phenomena, different scale. Why not?

[mharratsc]

The way I see it, there are different types of circuits, and different manifestations of them that we can easily make out between Earth and our atmosphere:
(Forgive me for throwing in my own nomenclature here, since I'm not that educated and don't know if there is existing terminology to explain my observations... )

Types of circuits noteworthy to Earth-atmosphere study:

- You have sustained, contact-type circuits- objects are touching and exchanging charge.

- You have semi-sustained, vorticular circuits- tornado/cyclonic volume spinning between objects.

- You have sporadic, arc dischargesj- like lightning. Much like the behavior of a capacitor.

- You have very sporadic, diffuse charge exchanges, dark mode bordering on glow perhaps, like plates in a lead-acid battery slowly giving up charge carriers up and down the surface of the plate submerged in the acidic solution.

There are areas on Earth where particular 'types' of circuits are predominant:

We have no 'Type 1' contact points in the circuit.

We do see the 'Type 2' vorticular circuits sustained at the poles, and sometimes seen in secondary circuits such as tornados and hurricanes. These are frequently seen in a particular geographical area, such as the 'Tornado Alley' region of the U.S., and parts of Australia.

We have 'Type 3' (lightning) as being the most visually predominant and familiar. It is found everywhere, however there are areas that it is so predominant as to appear continuous- Catatumbo Lightning.

Lastly, we have the 'Type 4' circuits, wherein the diffuse charge is slowly moving across the Earth-atmosphere boundary. Sometimes it occurs with enough strength as to enter 'glow mode', and I believe that this is the source of certain legends of 'ghost lights' and 'fire on the mountain' in certain regions. I also think that it is the dominant form of charge exchange between the Earth and the atmosphere but is unnoticed due to the phenomenon mostly taking place in 'dark mode' discharge.

I think that the phenomena being discussed in this thread are of the 'Type 4' variety- diffuse charge exchange pushing from dark mode into glow mode discharge.

I will of course point out that I'm no scientist, and all of this is merely conjecture on my part. It may have already been presented and discussed by others- if so I apologize for not having knowledge of it. I just thought that some of my musings might be applicable to the phenomena being discussed here.

[chaye_d]

There was a 7.1 quake 10 days ago in Christchurch, New Zealand. Alot of people are starting report the usual sighting of lightening during the quake. While no one was kill during the quake it has changed alot of the Canterbury region. Wal Thornhill has written a article on this sort of event sighting a paper in the IEEE journal.
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=36uyr9nx
Can anyone on the forum help me with some more material reagrding this?