Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Starbiter,
As you've probably just read, the dates for The Buddha are circa C5th BCE so obviously the text will be later than that.

As a side note I see the mention of the various suns in the fire account as possible evidence of planets or stars flaring up. There is a similar reference to a false sun in the Popol Vuh. This false sun appears when the world is enveloped in darkenss and the Maya are cold, wet, miserable and on the move. The Sun proper eventually reappears exactly where and when the Maya were expecting it). These false suns should not be confused with the various Suns of Mesoamerican mythology which relate to something else, namely the life-cycle of the Sun and different ages.

[webolife]

Whoa Starbiter,
The quintessential characteristics of duned formations are:
1. Crossbedding
2. Ripple marks
3. Relatively uniform graininess
4. Relatively little compaction
5. Relatively little metamorphosis
6. Sedimentary origin
Basalts [and other lavas] manifest:
1. Columnar jointing, and
2. Vessicular tops -- how does EDM or other electrical process account for this dual nature of basalt?
3. Various thicknesses, but up to dozens of feet
4. Clear bedding planes from one flow to the next
5. Pillow features indicating cooling as flow pours into water
6. Igneous origin
Other very distinctive features can be cited for Granites, and still others for metamorpic assemblages.
The consistency of basalt flows across great stretches belies duning as a process for the origin of basalts, and the dramatic pervasive presence of folded strata and intrusive veins, etc., along with granites, generally belies duning in mountain ranges, at least those characteristic of areas like the coastal mountains, the Rockies, Himalayas, Alps, Caucasus, etc. as well as the vast volcanic mountain ranges of the midocean ridges and island arcs.

[starbiter]

Hello Webo: Pleasure to hear from you. The dune/mountains in Namibia don't seem to fit your description of dunes. Nor due the Petrified dunes of Moab UT. They seem quite dense and metamorphic.


Concerning Basalt, once again i never invoked duning as part of the Basalt making process. I think you know this. I invoke the river of fire. This is not a small difference. S'il vous plait. Concerning igneous origin, igneous means fire. What could be closer to what i propose.

michael

[starbiter]

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl= ... 8&t=p&z=11

This is the Great Sand Dune National Park.

[starbiter]

More dunes.

[webolife]

Starbiter,
My fault for possibly misunderstanding you...
[From one of your first examples on this thread] Frenchman Hills on the Columbia are a basalt mound of several flows depth, with a few gravelly beds occasionally seen, so this would not qualify as a duned mountain then...

Layers in the Moab area exhibits many features of duning, eg. crossbedding, uniform composition, graininess,etc.
Metamorphism is a matter of degrees, of course... so you have arkose sandstone, sandstone, limestone, perhaps shale, etc, but may also have slightly altered versions due to heat/pressure [and electricity, I think we'd both allow], eg. quartzite, dolomite ... is this what you are referring to as metamorphosed? Again anything in the Moab area you are thinking is a mountain is just the top of a plateau you are viewing from the valley below.

Mountainous metamorphism, due to [wide]regional pressures or hot intrusive material, and often signalled by folding and less planar bedding, involves large scale recrystallization, resulting in slates, schists, and gneiss, sometimes grading nearly to granite. This process has little attribution of duning. My "jury" is still out on how such huge tectonic formations can result from any kind of EDM.

What am I not getting about your "duning" process for mountain building?

[starbiter]

Hello Webo: I might have shown a map of Frenchmen Hills on the Columbia, but i don't think i mentioned it by name. Can you help me find it. Found it!

Seems to be the small rise North of Sentinel Mountain. Not much of a mountain. I would not think this is a flow.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 4&t=p&z=11

The map below shows two road cuts. The north cut is the one i photographed.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

This next map shows farming around the cut. No basalt flow i think.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=h&z=15

There a three shots looking East to follow. Ne E Se notice the layering with what looks like basalt on the top. How could it flow there on top of the structure, without filling the lower areas?

[starbiter]

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#3 Have not analyzed rock

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Looking West




I just don't see flow. I see dune transformed to gnarly rock.

michael

[starbiter]

I've been putting off looking at Temple 1 because of that laziness problem. I was looking for the video of impact and the close up stills of craters being zapped, what looked like Electrical Excavation. I stumbled on the ingredient list of the dust thrown up by the BB like 800 Lb. impactor. Try to imagine Venus and Earth instead of BB and Temple 1.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepi ... 90705.html


These solid ingredients include many standard comet components, such as silicates, or sand. And like any good recipe, there are also surprise ingredients, such as clay and chemicals in seashells called carbonates. These compounds were unexpected because they are thought to require liquid water to form.

"How did clay and carbonates form in frozen comets?" asked Lisse. "We don't know, but their presence may imply that the primordial solar system was thoroughly mixed together, allowing material formed near the Sun where water is liquid, and frozen material from out by Uranus and Neptune, to be included in the same body."

Also found were chemicals never seen before in comets, such as iron-bearing compounds and aromatic hydrocarbons, found in barbecue pits and automobile exhaust on Earth.

The silicates spotted by Spitzer are crystallized grains even smaller than sand, like crushed gems. One of these silicates is a mineral called olivine, found on the glimmering shores of Hawaii's Green Sands Beach.


Me
These ingredients could be the result of the zap produced by the BB, maybe transmutation, maybe not.

The Earth with it's Ionosphere [charged capacitor] would but the impactor to shame.

michael

[webolife]

Starbiter,
We are definitely experiencing a communication breakdown here...
Your first google image is indeed the Frenchmen Hills region of the Columbia River, near Beverly and Mattawa, about a dozen miles south of Vantage, Washington. The other two images are from some region in the southwest US not far from Arizona/New Mexico border. Are you mixed up about these regions? Obviously the SW US maps are dune areas. Where did your road cut images come from? I know a road cut just north of Beverly with those exact features, so that may be it. I guarantee you, the road cut between Vantage and Beverly is a place where basalt is sitting right on top of a gravelly/bouldery section. I don't exactly understand your question about the basalt "filling in the areas" below it, but read on... Just south of there, in the early 80's, I camped on a farm in Beverly where we [a bunch of geology students] hiked to the top of the hill. You hike up over at least three separate lava flows to get to the top. There are large transmission towers on the ridge of the hill, and we dug petrified wood out of the ground there from 3-4 foot diam. log sections sticking down into the basalt! There is a dirt road leading up to the petrified wood site from out of Mattawa, which I blew a radiator on a couple decades ago. That gravelly layer shows up at the Vantage Bridge in that the abuttments for the bridge were dug into/through that layer, where also some petrified wood was found. Looking across the Columbia at Vantage is one of the best places to see several contiguous lava flows atop each other with the Col. River as your centerpiece. The large playa-looking region north of the Frenchman Hill is part of the outwash swaths of the great floods that carved out much of the coulee terrain of eastern Washington post Ice Age, in just two weeks.

[starbiter]

Hallo Webo: I don't know much about Frenchmen Hill. I drove by recently but didn't stop. I wish you had found a different location to discuss. We already discussed Frenchmen Mountain in NV. This seems to scream confusion. I mentioned in my first response that i don't think it is a flow. I have no photos, so there isn't much to go on except your description. The idea of multiple flows of basalt piled on top of each other seems nonsensical. Basalt is a liquid. Once a basalt flow stops, it begins to harden. If a new flow erupts it would never flow on top of a earlier flow. It would flow to the right or left of the pre existing flow. If it started on top of the pre existing flow, it would flow down to the lowest point available. The idea of a flow of basalt, following a previous flow like a train on tracks seems poorly thought out. Some of these flows go on for almost a hundred miles. I guess stating, i don't think it's a flow, was clear enough. I hope this helps.


The photos of the road cut in CO. just South of Saguache show what appears to be the inside of a dune with basalt on top of sediment. This is the same pattern i see for the Yakima area. That's why i shared it.

The photo below is looking West, South of Beverly. Right around Levering.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 7&t=p&z=12

[starbiter]

This ia another view looking west, just south of Desert Aire.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

[starbiter]

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

The above map is Cowiche Canyon just NW of Yakima WA. The photo below shows the same stratification as the area along the Columbia river. I.m looking NE at the East side of the canyon.It's my position the wind blew from the NE during a duning process. Same as the Columbia River area. If you notice the lay out of the area, if this was a basalt flow, the basalt would have to flow from the NE to account for the layering, i think. I can't think of a basalt flow model to reconcile this layering.

michael