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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Has anyone ever looked above a volcano's eruption cloud to see if there are discharge phenomena going into space (like those observed above thunderstorms)?
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Too dangerous even for the highest altitude planes. Maybe satellite photos?popster1 wrote:Has anyone ever looked above a volcano's eruption cloud to see if there are discharge phenomena going into space (like those observed above thunderstorms)?
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
I wondered about this too. It seems to be large, positive discharge events that are linked to upper atmosphere discharge events, the postive part refers to the direction the current is travelling i.e ground to cloud and these large strikes seem to traverse the voltage bridge between the ground and the tropospheric/stratospheric boundary.Has anyone ever looked above a volcano's eruption cloud to see if there are discharge phenomena going into space (like those observed above thunderstorms)?
I would expect there to be upper atmospheric discharges for every positive lightning strike associated with the volcano, these may even be more energetic than normal.
I find it interesting that, due to our improved predictions regarding volcanic eruptions, there is very little loss of life from the volcanic part of volcanic eruptions, however many people are still killed by the lightning associated with volcanoes.
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
That greenish bolt is the first thing my wife commented on when she saw this pic. It's interesting, why would one bolt look that way when all the others in the pic are "normal"?redeye wrote: Also, if you look at image 13 in the gallery above, you can see the green lightning bolt that I alluded to earlier...it may just be the same bolt from a different angle but the scene looks different. I can't remember seeing a green bolt of lightning before, would the colour of the bolt have any significance?
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Interesting, I saw this picture now for the first time. Any speculations on the greenish lightning?saturnine wrote:That greenish bolt is the first thing my wife commented on when she saw this pic. It's interesting, why would one bolt look that way when all the others in the pic are "normal"?redeye wrote: Also, if you look at image 13 in the gallery above, you can see the green lightning bolt that I alluded to earlier...it may just be the same bolt from a different angle but the scene looks different. I can't remember seeing a green bolt of lightning before, would the colour of the bolt have any significance?
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
Perhaps the quality of the air that is being ionized may have something to do with the lightning color? That is a lot of ash.
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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)
I'm thinking that bolt is "inside" the eruption cloud so the light is being filtered somewhat. It's not uncommon, in my experience, for white objects to color shift when attenuated by dust. Perhaps the lightning's spectrum is rich in green, but so intense at all wavelengths that it saturates the detection device (sensor or emulsion) and appears white. Just speculating....saturnine wrote:That greenish bolt is the first thing my wife commented on when she saw this pic. It's interesting, why would one bolt look that way when all the others in the pic are "normal"?
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Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
On December 6, 2008, in southern Chile, Army sargeant Fernando Yáñez Muñoz took a photo of the 3125 meters high Llaima volcano, showing a huge bright light hovering over it. The photo and the report posted by Raul Gajardo Leopold on December 23 appear in the NOUFA blog:
http://noufa2.blogspot.com/
I would like to know what the Electric Universe researchers think about the light hovering over the volcano, located within the Congûillio National Park. Llaima, one of the largest and most active volcanoes in Chile, had erupted violently on the first day of January 2008.
Many observers think that the light in the December 6 photo might be a UFO, perhaps related to spectacular lights recorded on December 9 over the capital, Santiago. But then, there may be another explanation. The video recorded on December 9 of the lights over Santiago may be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqBvEbv ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbBdviua ... re=related
http://noufa2.blogspot.com/
I would like to know what the Electric Universe researchers think about the light hovering over the volcano, located within the Congûillio National Park. Llaima, one of the largest and most active volcanoes in Chile, had erupted violently on the first day of January 2008.
Many observers think that the light in the December 6 photo might be a UFO, perhaps related to spectacular lights recorded on December 9 over the capital, Santiago. But then, there may be another explanation. The video recorded on December 9 of the lights over Santiago may be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqBvEbv ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbBdviua ... re=related
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
It looks to me like an overexposed image. It appears to be either a lenticular cloud or a sundog.
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
It looks like the reflection from glass, like if the photo was taken from inside a vehicle. I've read of strange lights over earthquakes but not volcanoes.
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Indeed, there has been a seemingly heightened occurrence of powerful lights in the sky related to seismic events, such as those seen during the 8.0 earthquake that struck Perú on August 15, 2007. Although the quake’s epicenter was in Peru's southern desert, at the boundary where the Nazca and South American tectonic plates meet, the stunning lights were seen flashing over the horizon some 200 Km to the north in Lima, the nation’s capital.
According to the USGS the earthquake occurred as a result of thrust-faulting, with the South American plate moving up and seaward over the Nazca plate. Videos of the lights recorded by witnesses in Lima may be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxfkvrbt9kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjs_vo092s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNxn01F8mM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmHsP1gd8I
According to the USGS the earthquake occurred as a result of thrust-faulting, with the South American plate moving up and seaward over the Nazca plate. Videos of the lights recorded by witnesses in Lima may be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxfkvrbt9kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjs_vo092s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNxn01F8mM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmHsP1gd8I
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Looks to me that the one picture was taken out of the driver's side with the window rolled up and the sun's reflection of the rear-view mirror is in the photo. Or some sort of refractive glare. The anomaly only lasted long enough to snap one photo?
The supposed "fleet of ufo's" vid is interesting. The furthest I'd be willing to speculate on that is that perhaps some unique atmospheric conditions spawned a series of "Extreme Ball Lightning".
No one in the ufo community has thus far provided an explanation as to why an "advanced alien society" of any sort would need 'headlights' on their vehicles or just haphazardly discovered some sort of propulsion through jet-like nozzles that never make any noise.
With the ubiquity of hand held video recorders and movies on cell phones it always seems that only one person is ever prepared to film these types of events. Even when they occur over major heavily populated cites. That results in no contrasting footage from different angles etc.
The supposed "fleet of ufo's" vid is interesting. The furthest I'd be willing to speculate on that is that perhaps some unique atmospheric conditions spawned a series of "Extreme Ball Lightning".
No one in the ufo community has thus far provided an explanation as to why an "advanced alien society" of any sort would need 'headlights' on their vehicles or just haphazardly discovered some sort of propulsion through jet-like nozzles that never make any noise.
With the ubiquity of hand held video recorders and movies on cell phones it always seems that only one person is ever prepared to film these types of events. Even when they occur over major heavily populated cites. That results in no contrasting footage from different angles etc.
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Satellite photos reveal that volcano plumes swirl anticlockwise, which could explain phenomena like "sheath" lightning and tornadoes seen during eruptions
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... storm.htmlIt may also explain the "sheaths" of lightning spotted in the 2008 eruption of mount Chaitén in Chile, because the cyclonic motion throws charged particles to the plume margins
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Actually, the photo is exposed from inside the car and it is the flash reflected in the window.
Typical for many "UFO" photos.
Typical for many "UFO" photos.
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Re: Bright light over Llaima Volcano, Chile
Excellent call. I think you nailed it.John Silver wrote:Actually, the photo is exposed from inside the car and it is the flash reflected in the window.
Typical for many "UFO" photos.
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