Spiraling light phenomen in Norway

[redeye]

If the PTB said there was no missile/rocket, the conspiracy theorists say they lied. If the PTB say there was a missile/rocket then the same conspiracy theorists say they lied.

I think the Higgs Boson did it!

Cheers!

[galacticmonk]

From a psychological standpoint it's apparent people want to confirm their beliefs. I know I wanted it to be a plasma event--I've been studying thunderbolts, et al now for awhile and the thought that we might witness & confirm the experiential side of the electric universe is very appealing. At the same time, I had to be open to the simpler & more probable explanation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bummed to read the Russian report of the missle launch.

Reading the comments on various sites sheds even more light on the tendency for people to look for confirmation of their beliefs (see UFO, conspiracy, Obama, HAARP, rockets & even plasma events). But what separates the scientist from the mythologist is the ability to face the facts when they appear, recognize dogma and open the mind to being wrong. It's what electric universe proponents face in trying to gain acceptance of facts that fly in the face of black holes.

The event was beautiful, aroused much interest--especially from the plasma perspective and yet at some point I have to accept the most probable scenario being the rocket. Now if it happens again & again, that's another matter. There's a fine line between being the lone heretic who has it straight and the kook who can't give up their dogma.

[keeha]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... =30#p29445

EISCAT type prank or rocket failure, could an Airy disk effect with longer wavelength describe the physics?

As below so above (with 1 GW effective radiated power or rocket fuel)?
http://www.glafreniere.com/sa_electron.htm

So the electron appears to be the equivalent of a very special Airy disk whose aperture angle is 360°.

I then elaborated a new algorithm whose goal was to perform the summation of Huygens' well known wavelets inside a 3-D space. I was working on the Airy disk, which is the amazing interference pattern which is present at the focal plane of any convergent lens or telescope mirror.

The program was a hit. The results below represent a very seldom shown Airy disk. It should behave like this only for a very wide 180° aperture angle. This means that instead of the usual narrow light cone, the source is a full hemisphere
.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_disk

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/anat ... rture.html

illustrates a hypothetical Airy disk that essentially consists of a diffraction pattern containing a central maximum (typically termed a zeroth order maximum) surrounded by concentric 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., order maxima of sequentially decreasing brightness that make up the intensity distribution. Two Airy disks and their intensity distributions at the limit of optical resolution are illustrated in Figure 3(b). In this part of the figure, the separation between the two disks exceeds their radii, and they are resolvable. The limit at which two Airy disks can be resolved into separate entities is often called the Rayleigh criterion. Figure 3(c) shows two Airy disks and their intensity distributions in a situation where the center-to-center distance between the zeroth order maxima is less than the width of these maxima, and the two disks are not individually resolvable by the Rayleigh criterion.

[Grey Cloud]

Very pretty but the thing in Norway was a spiral not concentric circles.

[Tzunamii]

The Norway phenomena seemed highly structured in both the corkscrew as well as the spiral disc, especially when compared to a rocket/missile launch, & its subsequent atmospheric effects.
None of the examples shown of rocket/missile effects come close to the organization of the Norway lights.
Even in motion, the Norway lights had exquisite structure.
I'm not going to assume what it was, but i do not believe it was a rocket or missile for these reasons.

[Grey Cloud]

The best video yet is carried on the BBC website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8404991.stm

This BBC link now gives 404 Page not found error. Worked previously.
Looking at the video on the Sun newspapar website the spiral is nowhere near as clear as the photo and there is no sign of the blue spiral. Also the spiral in the vid appears to disappear from the inside out.
Would ice crystals in the air have bearing/influence? Northern Norway in December will be pretty nippy.
And am I correct in thinking that the photo was taken from a Norwegian military base? There is a lot of light sources between the photographer and the thing in the sky.

[Grey Cloud]

Video, stills and computer animation:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -test.html

[keeha]

Thanks for the rocket malfunction computer simulation.

I would have assumed the rings were from an EM or refraction effect. The rocket simulation would only appear so circular along a single channel of sight. I seems to me strange all the recorded images seem to show them head on, the only way the spiral ejecta would appear near circular. Possible if all the sightings came from the same town in an unpopulated area?

[Jeff99]

You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to know that often official explanations are purposefully misleading. Come on who today could doubt that. It’s a good thing to examine the visible evidence for clues pointing to a missile or other man made explanation of the phenomena in question, and it is certainly supportive of that theory if there is a declared missile launch timed with the phenomena.
However what I was pointing out is that there being a belated declaration of a launch doesn’t itself seal the deal. There are many reasons to discount the possible truth of the statement of a launch. It’s not about choosing imagination over facts, quite the opposite.

These pictures of rocket launches are quite amazing and I never knew they could produce that kind of effect. It certainly adds to the credibility of the missile theory. However I don’t see anything remotely like the spiral seen over Norway, (except for the trail to the ground). And I do see an amazing correlation of the Norway phenomena to the pictures of spirals carved into rocks by the ancients.
From the evidence presented here I’m sure not ready to discount that it’s a plasma phenomena and one of the same nature of those recorded in rock carvings so long ago.

[Grey Cloud]

Keeha wrote: Possible if all the sightings came from the same town in an unpopulated area?
Or the same Norwegian military base?

Jeff99. Spirals appear all over Nature they are not the sole property of plasma discharge. Spirals also make pretty good mandala type images.
On a different note, the Norwegians and Swedes often suffer from Russian manned and unmanned hardware violating their airspace or coming down in their territory.
Unless you can come up with a plausible explanation for a plasma event occurring at that time and place your theory that it is a plasma event has less basis in fact than the rocket explanation.
I'm not totally convinced by the rocket theory myself. I'm sticking to my Death-Eaters announcing the return of Lord Voldemort theory.

[Jeff99]

Jeff99. Spirals appear all over Nature they are not the sole property of plasma discharge. Spirals also make pretty good mandala type images.

Sure spirals appear all over nature, but show me a single one that looks like the ones in the majority of rock drawings. If you don't have a picture then describe to me a natural object that looks like the ones shown in these rock drawings. And then if you can I would ask if that natural object (sea shell or something) could reasonable be considered as something awe inspiring enough to warrant carving it into rocks by so many diverse cultures all over the world.
I think it is David Talbott that has done such supreme work in documenting the commonality of ancient art depicting what he theorizes to be witnessing of plasma events. I’m sure the spiral images in the rock carvings is one of them.

I am certainly willing to give up my beliefs in anything if presented with convincing evidence to the contrary. Heck I gave up a hoard of previously deep set beliefs when I came across the EU Theory. And can accept this as a missile effect too if I see enough evidence to support it. So since there are plenty of people pushing for the man made explanation here, I’m simply saying wait, I’m not convinced, look at this…!

[keeha]

True Grey cloud, it is not the same. But it may be possible to introduce a doppler effect or similar to the above posted electron model to get a more spiral effect still with 'simple' physics.

Looking at the detailed images there appear to be two emanating light coloured spirals, one appearing more dominant than the other.

Reminds me of images of the heliospheric current sheet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere The heliospheric current sheet out to the orbit of Jupiter.

[junglelord]

The real definative evidence is the exact time of launce and exact height and location of said missle from said soviet sub.

The two may not be related and the above is the only way to prove if its the missle, not just saying one misfired that day....

if its not a missle, then maybe its something man made like a tesla scalar weapon or artifical plasma excitation as mentioned....and if neither of those then we may have a true natural plasma display.

How hard can it be to get exact answers vs we think its a missle...?

[D_Archer]

If it was a missile, was it a misfire? Did it blow up? Maybe it indeed was a weapon test, not of the missile itself but maybe a missile defense system? Some conspiracy theories point to EISCAT, this facilty has abilities just like HAARP to beam stuff, EISCAT even sent a Dorito's ad to a solar system 42 light years away!!!

So instead of one explanation, there could be two or more, a missile yes, a missile defense weapon test yes, and maybe a plasma phenomena because the beam is a high energy event???!!!

Regards,
Daniel

[StefanR]

As the Russian guy said earlier in the Physorg-item:

"The first two stages of the rocket worked but in the final and third stage there was a technical failure," the defence ministry said in a statement.

The statement said the problem was with the engine in the third stage, while in past launches the first stage had been faulty.

The problems with the Bulava have become an agonising issue for the defence ministry, which has ploughed a large proportion of its procurement budget into ensuring the missile becomes the key element of its rocket forces.