I'm not fond of quoting other peoples responses but in this case i feel the need to do so.
Metryq wrote:
Not quite. The hand-drawn circle is "simple" only from a certain perspective. To account for that hand-drawn circle, one must also explain the creature who drew it, his intelligence and the development of paper and pencils, etc.
All i can say : Sticks and stones.
You might as well go back to Adam and Eve to explain the creature.
Almost every human can draw a circle fast and easily but almost no one can program a computer to make it draw a circle on the screen using binary language.
Metryq wrote:
The relevance of the binary code is not just the ones and zeroes. The ones and zeroes (or red marbles and blue marbles—whatever one is using) could fall into a circular or fractal pattern on their own, no intelligence or intent involved. However, a code like binary can't "just happen." The code doesn't mean anything on its own; a sender and a receiver are needed. The binary code to spell one's name on a computer screen assumes knowledge of the many levels of computer software and hardware—also many steps removed from the intelligence that can read the text on the screen.
Ones and zeros do NOT fall, they represent the activation or shut down of an electrical circuit inside a computer chip. This is called programming. And it doesn't assume knowledge of software and hardware, it's required. The steps needed to realize the program does not require intelligence in essence, that all depends on what it purpose will be, in this case a circle (which requires knowledge of binary programming in this case)
Metryq wrote:
This code argument is used by some to push intelligent design. While there may be ID ("god" if one prefers that term), such a conclusion requires far more proof. We've been duped many times by the mysteries of nature. The most I'd concede about codes is that they suggest missing mechanisms in our models of the universe. Logically, information has to come from somewhere, and it is usually assumed lesser cannot beget greater. Maybe thermodynamics and entropy are flawed human viewpoints?
Well, we are here, intelligently discussing ideas. We live in a habitable zone that is so perfectly suited to our needs and we are capable of exploring the universe. If only one single variable would be slightly different we could not exist at all, so i say : it is an intelligent design. Information itself can be stored in chips and DNA
Chips don't let the information be able to grow or shrink on it's own but DNA does, so we have some facts that could be used either way.
Metryq wrote:
No, I don't believe the universe is simple. Those who seek a Grand Unified Theory may believe that, Math is Truth(TM), but that sounds like willful blindness to me.
The Universe ain't simple indeed and so far a Unified Theory seems to be out of the question. Math is a tool and not science so we better start using it as such.
