by Roy » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:42 pm
BeAChooser wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:29 am
Roy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:37 pm
But their tools and data are useful to EU scientists.
Are they? Sorry Roy, but I see very little use of the data by the folks in the EU community. By the owners of this forum, for example. I see lots by folks in the Plasma Cosmology community ... like Eric Lerner ... who apparently is persona non grata in the EU community ... using the data, but what they find rarely gets any mainstream media attention. They might as well be talking to themselves.
There will be 30, 50, 100 media stories announcing each and every use of the tools and data by the mainstream community ... each and every wild theory they dream up to keep the funding going ... even though in many cases those stories just assume the mainstream is right about dark matter, the Big Bang, etc. Even though they are nothing but hopium ... to keep the funding going.
I've seen no increase in mention of the physics behind Plasma Cosmology over the years. Next to nothing in the mainstream media about their work. The other side isn't even listening and outright lies to the public about what the PC community believes and suggests now. Ridicules us rather than addressing the points we make. Much of that physics isn't even taught in university astrophysics/astronomy courses any more!
So, like I've said on this forum previously, I think it's time we boycott further funding of hugely expensive astrophysics, astronomy and particle physics projects ... until such time as a new group of more open minded people are in control the funding and what is done with it. Why feed a beast that in numerous ways now acts like a religion rather than good science?
Truth is, mainstream Big Science is essentially dead. It doesn't matter whether one is talking about astrophysics, climate, vaccines, social sciences ... the agenda of them all is now about politics and scoring the money that keeps those who depend on them living nice, comfortable lives. It's not about good science any more. And right now, we can't afford the waste and misdirection of resources they represent. Just my opinion.
PS ... let me add one more thought.
What good is this expensive research on dark matter, black holes and the Big Bang to US? How is it going to change any of our lives or the lives of our children for the better? Might I suggest it's far too premature and that other priorities should take precedence at this time for the rather limited funding we now have? Might I suggest that more funding to better understand electromagnetism and plasmas might be far more beneficial in terms of changing our lives at this point? The folks who most benefit from the pursuit of currently worthless knowledge always toss our the meme that knowledge for knowledge's sake is the proper goal of science. I’ve heard that from those defending Big Astrophysics. But I suggest that the research most of them are now doing is NOT to improve the human condition in any near term. It’s to push an agenda that has nothing to do with that.
Well stated, and all true. I haven’t known what Dr. Lerner is doing, since I read “The Big Bang Never Happened”.
BUT…ABER…MAIS… The mainstream media is politics, not journalism, only about 30% believe them anymore. Info comes from the photos. I see this on APOD discussions. I posted on 4Nov23 APOD that Dimorphos looked like a chunk of broken planet crust, mentioned that even if we do not know how a planet gets broken there is evidence for catastrophes in the solar system, etc. This got my posts deleted. But people not regulars are beginning to notice - the discussion of comet 67P 26Nov23 got layered rock noticed by others. Todays 28Nov23 discussion of Ganymede I didn’t join, but someone noticed a crater-chain discharge mark and posted it without commenting.
As to wasting money - the data is archived. Those who want to can examine it. The money spent is a minuscule portion of what was spent in wars since 1914, littering the earth and sea with steel, copper, etc., and burning immense amounts of oil and explosives. Humans spend a lot on war.
Another marker of change is in titles. Unidentified flying objects are now unexplained aerial phenomena and we are going to find out “publicly”what they are.
All is not lost. Baby steps.
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[quote=Roy post_id=9421 time=1701124679 user_id=6501]
But their tools and data are useful to EU scientists.
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Are they? Sorry Roy, but I see very little use of the data by the folks in the EU community. By the owners of this forum, for example. I see lots by folks in the Plasma Cosmology community ... like Eric Lerner ... who apparently is persona non grata in the EU community ... using the data, but what they find rarely gets any mainstream media attention. They might as well be talking to themselves.
There will be 30, 50, 100 media stories announcing each and every use of the tools and data by the mainstream community ... each and every wild theory they dream up to keep the funding going ... even though in many cases those stories just assume the mainstream is right about dark matter, the Big Bang, etc. Even though they are nothing but hopium ... to keep the funding going.
I've seen no increase in mention of the physics behind Plasma Cosmology over the years. Next to nothing in the mainstream media about their work. The other side isn't even listening and outright lies to the public about what the PC community believes and suggests now. Ridicules us rather than addressing the points we make. Much of that physics isn't even taught in university astrophysics/astronomy courses any more!
So, like I've said on this forum previously, I think it's time we boycott further funding of hugely expensive astrophysics, astronomy and particle physics projects ... until such time as a new group of more open minded people are in control the funding and what is done with it. Why feed a beast that in numerous ways now acts like a religion rather than good science?
Truth is, mainstream Big Science is essentially dead. It doesn't matter whether one is talking about astrophysics, climate, vaccines, social sciences ... the agenda of them all is now about politics and scoring the money that keeps those who depend on them living nice, comfortable lives. It's not about good science any more. And right now, we can't afford the waste and misdirection of resources they represent. Just my opinion.
PS ... let me add one more thought.
What good is this expensive research on dark matter, black holes and the Big Bang to US? How is it going to change any of our lives or the lives of our children for the better? Might I suggest it's far too premature and that other priorities should take precedence at this time for the rather limited funding we now have? Might I suggest that more funding to better understand electromagnetism and plasmas might be far more beneficial in terms of changing our lives at this point? The folks who most benefit from the pursuit of currently worthless knowledge always toss our the meme that knowledge for knowledge's sake is the proper goal of science. I’ve heard that from those defending Big Astrophysics. But I suggest that the research most of them are now doing is NOT to improve the human condition in any near term. It’s to push an agenda that has nothing to do with that.
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Well stated, and all true. I haven’t known what Dr. Lerner is doing, since I read “The Big Bang Never Happened”.
BUT…ABER…MAIS… The mainstream media is politics, not journalism, only about 30% believe them anymore. Info comes from the photos. I see this on APOD discussions. I posted on 4Nov23 APOD that Dimorphos looked like a chunk of broken planet crust, mentioned that even if we do not know how a planet gets broken there is evidence for catastrophes in the solar system, etc. This got my posts deleted. But people not regulars are beginning to notice - the discussion of comet 67P 26Nov23 got layered rock noticed by others. Todays 28Nov23 discussion of Ganymede I didn’t join, but someone noticed a crater-chain discharge mark and posted it without commenting.
As to wasting money - the data is archived. Those who want to can examine it. The money spent is a minuscule portion of what was spent in wars since 1914, littering the earth and sea with steel, copper, etc., and burning immense amounts of oil and explosives. Humans spend a lot on war.
Another marker of change is in titles. Unidentified flying objects are now unexplained aerial phenomena and we are going to find out “publicly”what they are.
All is not lost. Baby steps.