What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high velocity?

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What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high velocity?

Unread post by Maol » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:12 pm

What force, electric, magnetic or gravity, accelerated this "Cannonball Pulsar" to nearly 2.5 million miles an hour when it was ejected from the supernova?

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190813.html

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... ough-space

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NASA’s Fermi Satellite Clocks ‘Cannonball’ Pulsar Speeding Through Space

Astronomers found a pulsar hurtling through space at nearly 2.5 million miles an hour — so fast it could travel the distance between Earth and the Moon in just 6 minutes. The discovery was made using NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and the National Science Foundation's Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array (VLA).

Pulsars are superdense, rapidly spinning neutron stars left behind when a massive star explodes. This one, dubbed PSR J0002+6216 (J0002 for short), sports a radio-emitting tail pointing directly toward the expanding debris of a recent supernova explosion.

“Thanks to its narrow dart-like tail and a fortuitous viewing angle, we can trace this pulsar straight back to its birthplace,” said Frank Schinzel, a scientist at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO) in Socorro, New Mexico. “Further study of this object will help us better understand how these explosions are able to ‘kick’ neutron stars to such high speed.”

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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Maol » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:25 am

After a month with over 200 views and no one has offered a postulation to explain this phenomenon? It seems unlikely F=MA can be violated. What is the F providing the A, and what is the opposite and equal M upon which the F x M reacts to result in the A?

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Unread post by Michael Mozina » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:15 pm

Maol wrote:After a month with over 200 views and no one has offered a postulation to explain this phenomenon? It seems unlikely F=MA can be violated. What is the F providing the A, and what is the opposite and equal M upon which the F x M reacts to result in the A?
Well, I'd guess it's a complex combination of preexisting moment (rotation speed of the objects prior to the explosion of the second object), the explosive force itself, and possibly external EM fields and forces that were acting on the bodies prior to the explosion. I'd say the original momentum was a big part of the final speed of the object after ejection.

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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Solar » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:30 am

Maybe: Acceleration via Electromagnetic Induction. People are so used to the mechanical use of same for the rotation of motors, MagLev Train etc that little thought is given to the same relation as applied to celestial bodies in close proximity during the “discharge process”. So if one celestial body undergoes an “electric discharge” it might be possible for this activity to “induce” an opposing (Lenz Law-like) increase in the electric and magnetic fields of another body - to such extent that one (or both) might be “repelled”.

If these two features are related there is something bizarre about them. The near spherical, supposed supernova, remnant is also known as:

Abel 85 (scroll down for contrasting images)

In the images above, at approximately the elven o'clock position, Abel 85 appears to have a fluted opening as if something ‘punctured’ its double-layer shell at some point in time. Said opening, or perturbation, is angled in the wrong direction relative to the pulsar’s “jet” or ‘tail. Has Abel 85 slowly rotated such that the original opening for the supposed pulsar ejection now points in a different direction? Are they even related? Other than the viewing geometry what evidence, other than a pulsar “jet” pointing towards Abel 85, is there to suggest that the pulsar was close enough to which ever star went supernova?

If they are related things could’ve also worked in reverse. The pulsar could’ve been happily racing along and owing to its intense electric and magnetic fields the pulsar “wake-field” might’ve induced some star to go supernova as it passed by: Wakefield Acceleration

Interested parities might also be interested in: Hypervelocity Stars

Also: The image in question might be a different version of The Guitar Nebula periodically discharging as it moves along.
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Maol » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:04 pm

Solar, a magnetic field induction reaction was my first guess as well, that the neutron star was ejected like the armature of a solenoid or a projectile from a rail gun. Further, this leads to consideration that the original giant star received relatively sudden (in astronomical terms) large inrush of current, a pulse, from an external source to cause the ejection of the neutron star. Prior to supernova and ejection of the neutron star, the giant star had a total mass of between 10 and 29 solar masses and the neutron star mass is approximately 1.4 solar masses, so there should be sufficient mass for the opposite and equal F=MA reaction to accelerate the neutron star.

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Unread post by neilwilkes » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:53 am

What Neutron Star?
An object consisting of just Neutrons is not physically possible as it falls well outside the Chemical Stability range, so there cannot be any Neutron Stars.
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Cargo » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:23 pm

There was no "ejection" from a 'Super Nova'. There is no 'pulsar' traveling through space like a alien ship. The entire premise of their bbang-speak is false to begin. Therefore, you must throw away a question like your's and look at the entire 'Space' differently. They only measured Gamma Rays. Start with that.

Ignore the composite images. They are not photos of real objects.
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Unread post by Webbman » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:06 am

unfortunately you have the make the primary assumption, gained by experience, that they are feeding you a tall tale, what i call public consumption, until proven otherwise.

not the other way around.
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Maol » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:34 am

Agreed, many things are not as some think they seem, so what series of phenomena resulted in the observations that led the astronomers to their conclusions and description of a "cannonball pulsar"?

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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Solar » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:51 am

Mentioning the ‘type’ of star was merely for convince whereas the question of the thread actually has to do with what forces might induce what *appears* to be, or is interpreted to be, “accelerated motion” along with what might have triggered such a transformative increase in activity- in general.
Cargo wrote:Therefore, you must throw away a question like your's and look at the entire 'Space' differently. They only measured Gamma Rays. Start with that.

Ignore the composite images. They are not photos of real objects.
It's definitely possible to "look at the entire 'Space' differently" and assert that this particular star has not moved out of its normal orbit. The charged environment of the region does not appear to have been mentioned; as usual. So, for example, there are any number of advancing "shock fronts", "walls", "galactic chimneys, "galactic rain", and High Velocity Clouds each sheathed within double-layers that are progressing throughout the galaxy.

It's possible to assert that the increased discharge activity might have been induced by the passing of a High Velocity Cloud (HVC) such as "Smith's Cloud". Meaning that; instead of the idea that a star has been "kicked" out of its orbit post discharge (nova) invert the perspective. Maybe the processed image portrays the activity, tail and all, of a star that is still in its regular orbit while in the midst of a much larger High Velocity Cloud passing through the region. The environment itself is ALSO in motion!

I could easily say that as opposed to a star being “kicked” out of its orbit and hence moving along in some direction at an increased velocity; that instead, the nova activity would have occurred at the leading edge of a passing High Velocity Cloud. In conjunction, as opposed to the “tail” indicating the star speeding through the interstellar medium - that instead, the High Velocity Cloud that touched all of this off at its double-layer leading edge is STILL passing by, in the opposite direction of appearances, and still being ionized. The star is simply *in the moving cloud*.

But where is the evidence?
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Solar » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:35 pm

Maol wrote:... so what series of phenomena resulted in the observations that led the astronomers to their conclusions and description of a "cannonball pulsar"?
Unfortunately its just a "popular model"...
“You’ve got the outer layers of the star going in one direction and the neutron star going in the other direction and that’s the first time anyone has seen this so dramatically,” Petre told New Scientist.

Such opposite motions are predicted by one popular model of how neutron stars get kicked to high speed, which says that the gas in the explosion gets spewed out preferentially in one direction, causing the neutron star to recoil the opposite way. - Neutron star clocked at mind boggling Velocity: New Scientist August 2006
… a “popular model” speculating "recoil" against asymmetric ejecta as the supposed acceleration dynamic.

Moving back to Cargo's point to "look at the entire 'Space' differently" (hopefully I'm not misunderstanding it); these stars might also undergo discharge dynamics simply from increases and decreases in Perihelion and Aphelion orbital dynamics that takes them through regions containing a higher density of interstellar molecular clouds (ISM) at a faster rate perfectly normal to their respective orbits. Nothing more than orbital dynamics and interacting with magnetized molecular clouds.
...“…it is common for CC SNRs to show traits of interaction with an inhomogeneous or dense CSM. For example, roughly one quarter of all Galactic SNRs show evidence of interaction with molecular clouds…” - The Morphologies and Kinematics of Supernova Remnants: Laura A. Lopez (Ohio State), Robert A. Fesen (Dartmouth) Sec 2.2 “Influences of the Environment and the Surrounding Medium on SNR Morphologies”
"... roughly one quarter..."? That 25% is pretty interesting for those who consider interactions with molecular clouds as a possible 'trigger' for *some* supernovae. Such an interaction might then also infer that not all supernova are the result of any sort of internal fuel depletion. Hmmm....

In this manner even NASA has speculated: Betelgeuse Star Bar
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Solar » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:49 pm

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Not sure if I used good terms for query but I searched both Holoscience and the Thunderbolts TPOD’s for something related to the idea of 'accelerated orbital velocity’ ("natal kicks") for stars - regardless of stellar type, model, theory, and/or classification schemes. Have a look at this:
Abstract. Observational advances over the last decade have left little doubt that neutron stars received a large kick velocity (of order a few hundred to a thousand km s−1) at birth. The physical origin of the kicks and the related supernova asymmetry is one of the central unsolved mysteries of supernova research. We review the physics of different kick mechanisms, including hydrodynamically driven, neutrino – magnetic field driven, and electromagnetically driven kicks. The viabilities of the different kick mechanisms are directly related to the other key parameters characterizing nascent neutron stars, such as the initial magnetic field and the initial spin. Recent observational constraints on kick mechanisms are also discussed. - Neutron Star Kicks and Asymmetric Supernovae: Dong Lai- Sept 2005
Along with various causes apparently there is still debate over:

1-Interacting binary induced acceleration
2-Supernova induced acceleration "at birth"
3-Post natal (after nova) induced acceleration

All of these acceleration theories incorporate the asymmetric property. Then...
Models to explain these high neutron star (NS) velocities have invoked the disruption of close binary systems (Blaauw 1961; Gott et al. 1970; Iben & Tutukov 1996), natal kicks from asymmetric supernova (SN) explosions (Shklovskii 1970; Dewey & Cordes 1987), and post-natal acceleration through the electromagnetic rocket effect (Harrison & Tademaru 1975). - GETTING ITS KICKS: A VLBA PARALLAX FOR THE HYPERFAST PULSAR B1508+55 S. Chatterjee et al (2nd sentence in the Introduction)
Here is the 1975 affectionately labeled “electrodynamic rocket effect” paper by Harrison, E. R. & Tademaru, E:
The strong electromagnetic acceleration of newborn pulsar as it jets away can be regarded as an affect arising from intrinsic supernova anisotropy. - Acceleration of pulsars by asymmetric radiation: Harrison, E. R. & Tademaru, E.
There is therefore a language problem (“natal kicks” etc.) with articles and papers simply referencing a “popular model”. With a phrase like that it's not clear which ‘asymmetric ejecta’ model is being referred to. Nonetheless, buried in vague language, at least one of these models is based on electrodynamic acceleration.

For further inquiry into the “kick” (orbital acceleration) theories see:

Google: Theories of Pulsar Natal Kick

Also, thanks to those referencing the work of Dr. Scott and the electrical relaxation oscillator relationship as opposed to the death defying rapid rotating, spin up-spin down, lighthouse paradigm. However, unless I missed something, this one potential dynamic - supernova electrodynamically induced ’orbital acceleration’ - (yes; just that part) was not covered therein.

I'll just add that the Milky Way, and other galaxies, still undergo process that induce “scattered like buckshot” acceleration phenomena whether as “hypervelocity stars”, so called “cannonball pulsars”, neutron stars etc. For the sake of debate the type of star is irrelevant. Between HVS’s and/or fast moving “pulsars” - all throughout the galaxy, the halo, and disc - several fast moving stars are quickly swarming around like agitated wasp protecting a nest. Is it all just gravity?

Does anyone have an EU reference for this electrodynamically accelerated orbit (“kick”) property regardless of stellar type?

Tired of reading papers and following references now.
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Re: What accelerated "Cannonball Pulsar" to such high veloci

Unread post by Solar » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:39 am

Here is (what I think) are relevant EU hypothesized relationship(s) to this topic:
Bright stars like our Sun are great concentrated balls of lightning! The matter inside stars becomes positively charged as electrons drift toward the surface. The resulting internal electrostatic forces prevent stars from collapsing gravitationally and occasionally cause them to “give birth” by electrical fissioning to form companion stars and gas giant planets. Sudden brightening, or a nova outburst marks such an event. That elucidates why stars commonly have partners and why most of the giant planets so far detected closely orbit their parent star. Stellar evolution theory and the age of stars is an elaborate fiction. The appearance of a star is determined largely by its electrical environment and can change suddenly. Plasma physicists and electrical engineers are best able to recognize plasma discharge phenomena. Stellar physics is in the wrong hands. - Synopsis 6: Electric Stars:Holoscience
Earth-like planets and moons are similarly “born” by electrical expulsion of part of the positively charged cores of dwarf stars and gas giants.

(…)

Planets will quickly assume orbits that ensure the least electrical interaction.  - Synopsis 7: Planets: Holoscience
But what of stars that sport ‘accretion disks?’ It is simply assumed that the disks are due to gravitational in-fall. However, gravity is easily overcome by electromagnetic repulsion, as we observe in solar mass ejections. Consequently, stars have expulsion jets and disks rather than accretion disks. Sometimes, for dynamic reasons or to spread the electrical load over a greater surface area, forming stars will electrically fission into binaries or multiple star systems. This scenario may explain some of the surprising abundance of multiple star systems and close orbiting ‘hot Jupiters.’ - Science’s Looming ‘Tipping Point’ (Subheading: Electrical Planet Origins: Holoscience
To summarize the above stars may “give birth” to binary systems i.e they may be “similarly “born” by "electrical expulsion”. So, it appears that there are actually two different hypothetical EU approaches here. One approach would be the proposed “pinch” dynamic. The second approach would be when “forming stars … electrically fission into binaries or multiple star systems.”

Also note the EU’s attribution of the “Stellar Dumbbell” configuration as *possibly* stemming from this proposed “fissioning” dynamic as cataloged in the following TPOD:

Stellar Dumbbell May Illustrate Electric Fissioning

Both the EU and traditional astrophysics have a "birth" scenario leading to binaries and their interactions.
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Now have a look at two gravitational (“kick”) portrayals where "matter flows from the heavier star towards its lighter companion". With a little imagination, the gravitational approach can easily be reconsidered from some of the above EU fissioning interpretations:

The mystery of a runaway star has finally been solved

Enigma of Runaway Stars Solved - Supernova Propels Companion Star through Interstellar Space 14 January 1997

Whether in terms of stars co-moving as a cluster such as the Orion Nebula, or the Milky Way galaxy at large, accelerated motion of stellar objects is an observation that cannot be dismissed. Too much isolated focus on the “cannonball” event itself; the environment (molecular clouds and the “cluster” to which the fast moving star may have once belonged) are often left unmentioned in some articles. It therefore *seems* probable that the nearest EU oriented idea that might be applicable to (anomalously) fast moving stars might lay with extrapolating the same relationship attributed to the fissioning of planets i.e. that they might “… quickly assume orbits that ensure the least electrical interaction.”

It would be easy to consider the term “quickly” as a possible description for acceleration here (and/or orbital placement); but that would be putting words in someone else’s mouth. When also considering that at least one of the theories composing the vague and unspecified “popular model” from a previous post contains an “electrodynamic rocket” effect with asymmetric differences in electric potential(s) it’s actually up to the reader to make their own choice(s) between descriptions such as “recoil”, induction, “kick”, accelerated, repulsed, etc. All I want to show with these few post is that both official, and EU related electrodynamic interpretations for these kinds of observations do exist.
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