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by jone dae » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:14 pm
A reply for JJohnson,
I think I understand the points that you were making. Re/ looking at my wordpress site, you will want to know that I am blogging on a variety of subjects there, and that I don't have as narrow a focus as I do here. On this site, this forum, I want to make others aware of papers, links, or media that I've seen that they have missed, and I want to learn from those who are more expert in their given areas. As a polymath, I'm necessarily somewhat of a generalist, and so, not as expert as the specialist scientists are in their areas. And this is the type of comment I make as well, that is, trying to help others to see both the overview better, and the interconnections between the areas better. This allows them to have a more accurate and complete view of things. And this is the work that Jae Kamel and I have done in those Lists, in the JKU, that you will see posted when you visit the wordpress site. BTW feel free to comment there; we're just as interested in criticisms as in anything else. If you're to believe the feedback, then you believe that no one has found any of our links, any of the websites linked to, wrong, objectionable, inappropriate, incorrect, irrelevant, or mistaken in any way! And we know that that can't be true, since we object to some of the sites ourselves! And we know that some of the sites are just foolishness; that's what you get when you do a balanced overview of a given subject or topic, as we have done there. So... it seems that some are reluctant to comment. The site keeps statistics, and we can view by the day or month how many visitors we've had there. Therefore, as you have replied here, Mr. Johnson, please do feel free to post a comment there.
Re/ the religious angle, so to speak, I do try to keep that out of this forum, and restrict myself to Wordpress and other forums I write in. However, some of the material written by G. I. Gurdjieff that I've been posting, or discussions of that material, are (a) not primarily spiritual or religions, (b) are scientific, about principally cosmogony, cosmology, geology, and astrophysics, (c) anticipate Velikovsky before his first publication by about 20 years, and (d) substantially agree with Velikovsky's findings. Furthermore, G.'s writings sometimes present, through a fictionalized account, observations about the behaviour or electricity, magnetism, and plasma and plasma effects, during various experiments. Some of those bear on the basic questions of electromagnetism, such as (a) are light, electricity, and magnetism directly related to each other, and if so, how? and (b) is gravity directly related to light, electricity, or magnetism, and if so, how? So, I am therefore suggesting that, readers not immediately think that they are looking at spiritual or religious material, when they see the name G.I. Gurdjieff. I think, too, that there is a way for any scientist to connect her or his understanding, to the apparent spirituality or religion that Gurdjieff seemed to be presenting, by realizing that he, Gurdjieff, considered existence or the Universe to be continuous, as a result of which, "all is material", that is, what we divide into "material" and "spiritual", is itself all the same, that is, those categories we make, describe events, energies, or "objects", that differ only in appearance, but not in kind. Yes, that does go against the basic divisiveness of the western scientific view; but just like the EU view, being the more correct view of Life and the Universe, permits a better understanding of it, and allows a saner understanding of it, and creates more sanity in the mind of the person, scientist or not, as compared to the standard model, which involves so much believing in fantasies (wasn't there a black hole in Fantasia?), so also, when a person's mind can grasp the changes implied in G's view of it, of Life and the Universe, it also allows her to have a saner and more complete view of things, as compared to the standard model(s). So, it is in a way, for the interest of Science that I include those materials here, in some of the other discussions, and on the Wordpress site as well.
Jone Dae