Thanks for that, would a small atmosphere be completely impossible with the mainstream theory?D_Archer wrote:Actually such objects really tell us nothing about the "creation of the solar system", whatever that is, the solar system was not "created" as a whole. Systems of stars/planets are assembled via capture events. Higher charged objects capture lower charged objects. The small rocks we see 'floating' about are planetary debris, it is fun to check them out , and i am excited about space mining, so it is good to research them, and maybe disprove some theories....but nebular theory does not need more disproving, it is like beating a dead horse. And EU has been saying the same thing for many many years now... i guess it is already mainstream, since NASA started modeling electric asteroids...davevoce wrote:[And of course because this object is so fundamental to our understanding of the solar system creation then I thought there might be the possibility of that idea being confounded.
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But this thread is about predictions right...
i predict a small atmosphere.
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Ultima Thule 'Snowman' predictions
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I got into an argument with someone on another forum about atmospheres. He maintained that gravity is what holds an atmosphere down. Then I pointed out that Venus and Titan have lower surface accelerations than Earth, yet both have denser atmospheres—one much denser. He didn't have an answer for that, so I "innocently" suggested that he might be right, but it might suggest that both Titan and Venus are younger bodies.davevoce wrote:Thanks for that, would a small atmosphere be completely impossible with the mainstream theory?
The sputtering and incoherence were almost audible over the Web. So the guy whipped out the old "underground reservoir" argument. Everything inexplicable from the mainstream has a hidden or undetectable source—dark matter, atmospheres that should have dissipated or changed composition if truly 4.5 billion or so years old, things like that.
So yes, an atmosphere on Ultima Thule would spark some of the silliest ad hoc theories.
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Don't forget, they were Surprised about the 'atmosphere' around every body we've visited so far. From arc discharges, to too much 'gravity', plasma volcanoes, and explosive electric(plasma) environments. If a body exists, in the plasma of space, it holds enough mass to not be discharged into nothing. From either the vast vacuum, or the constant ionic bombardment of it's current environment.
This rock is no different.
This rock is no different.
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You don't need to be a rock star to figure the reason for the peanut shape.
![Image](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgA7MgtijzRwUydsK7F6j1LXWmmKun3rdRzZrjrCG0qDRiGeyI)
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The NOVA episode is now available of YouTube for people who can't view the PBS page.
Pluto and Beyond - NOVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNzj3Bro_Y
Watch the episode, and be amazed at how trapped they are in the myths of the "Origin" of the Solar System.
Pluto and Beyond - NOVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmNzj3Bro_Y
Watch the episode, and be amazed at how trapped they are in the myths of the "Origin" of the Solar System.
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Ultima Thule's Shape
http://www.everythingselectric.com/eie-96/
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/New ... e=20190208
Contact binaries or Moqui marbles?
http://www.everythingselectric.com/eie-96/
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/New ... e=20190208
Contact binaries or Moqui marbles?
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a planet has the same N-S configuration but has a slight bulge in the center which is opposite of your pic. There are no peanut shaped planets.Maol wrote:You don't need to be a rock star to figure the reason for the peanut shape.
i do think your right but some process has been altered like how it spins or where its spinning, or perhaps it doesnt spin or spins erratically which could account for the opposite effect like in your magnet pic compared to a planet.
its all lies.
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Today they released a new 10-frame video of the Thule. And now proclaim complete dismay that they think now, it's pancaked shaped. We have been looking at the oblique flat side.
God knows what the simulation artists for a snow flake bump joining are going to do now.
Secondly, the behavior of the background is very interesting. I believe this is the first time I've seen Stars and other fast movers like this. I wonder what the 'camera' parameters were. Topic for a different thread I suppose. ;p
God knows what the simulation artists for a snow flake bump joining are going to do now.
Secondly, the behavior of the background is very interesting. I believe this is the first time I've seen Stars and other fast movers like this. I wonder what the 'camera' parameters were. Topic for a different thread I suppose. ;p
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Cargo wrote:Today they released a new 10-frame video of the Thule. And now proclaim complete dismay that they think now, it's pancaked shaped. We have been looking at the oblique flat side.
God knows what the simulation artists for a snow flake bump joining are going to do now.
![Image](https://glavcom.ua/img/article/5684/44_tn.png)
Image for reference.
This is just a guess i think, better wait for the real pictures, it could change again....
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It was during the final days of the second decade of the 21st Century, that man encountered the one object guaranteed to burn their brain. Ultima Thule! <----{Insert Mad Scientist Laugh} HA!
Ultima Thule: snowman-shaped space rock is actually 'flat like a pancake'
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -a-pancake
Ultima Thule: snowman-shaped space rock is actually 'flat like a pancake'
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -a-pancake
NASA is probably regretting their choice of target. Move along. Nothing to see here.New photos give fresh perspective on the cosmic body and raise questions about how it was formed
Associated PressMon 11 Feb 2019 21.41 EST
The faraway space snowman visited by Nasa last month has a surprisingly flat — not round — behind.
New photos from the New Horizons spacecraft offer a new perspective on the small cosmic body 4bn miles (6.4bn km) away. The two-lobed object, nicknamed Ultima Thule, is actually flatter on the backside than originally thought, according to scientists.
Pictures released late last week – taken shortly after closest approach on New Year’s Day – provide an outline of the side not illuminated by the sun.
"We’ve never seen something like this orbiting the sun"
When viewed from the front, Ultima Thule still resembles a two-ball snowman. But from the side , the snowman looks squashed, sort of like a lemon and pie stuck together, end to end.
“Seeing more data has significantly changed our view,” Southwest Research Institute’s Alan Stern, the lead scientist, said in a statement. “It would be closer to reality to say Ultima Thule’s shape is flatter, like a pancake. But more importantly, the new images are creating scientific puzzles about how such an object could even be formed. We’ve never seen something like this orbiting the sun.”
Project scientist Hal Weaver of Johns Hopkins University, home to New Horizons flight control centre, said the finding should spark new theories on how such primitive objects formed early in the solar system.
Ultima Thule – considered a contact binary – is the most distant world ever explored. New Horizons zipped past it at high speed, after becoming the first visitor to Pluto in 2015. Mission managers hope to target an even more distant celestial object in this so-called Kuiper Belt, on the frozen fringes of the solar system, if the spacecraft remains healthy.
New Horizons is already 32m miles (52m kilometers) beyond Ultima Thule. It will take another one and a half years to beam back all the flyby data.
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Now we have to wait a year and a half before this cryptic statement and nutty computer simulation is cleared up!New photos from the New Horizons spacecraft offer a new perspective on the small cosmic body 4bn miles (6.4bn km) away. The two-lobed object, nicknamed Ultima Thule, is actually flatter on the backside than originally thought, according to scientists....It will take another one and a half years to beam back all the flyby data.
In the meantime:
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It certainly has the rounded neck for a double sphere, and there is a lot of deep shadow on the larger shape, on one side. The small craters in neat rows in the shadows, which Wal Thronhill pointed out, are very clean, and another set of craters form a chain. "Crater chains are electrical. There is no other explanation for them."
It looks like it is sandstone, to me! I searched yesterday for the chemical composition, but perhaps gave up to soon. This could be one of the biggest headaches in N a s a's history. allynh is right (:
ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbKzNkE9NQM
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The engineers did their job so well, we can even see a faint green color near the large crater.
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Ultima Thule, now officially named Arrokoth
Goodness gracious!
The PBS NOVA episode, all the articles, would never have made sense using the name "Arrokoth". Watch, when all of the data has been processed I bet there will be no new NOVA episode.
NASA renames faraway ice world after Nazi-link backlash (Update)
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-nasa-rena ... world.html
The PBS NOVA episode, all the articles, would never have made sense using the name "Arrokoth". Watch, when all of the data has been processed I bet there will be no new NOVA episode.
NASA renames faraway ice world after Nazi-link backlash (Update)
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-nasa-rena ... world.html
by Issam Ahmed
The first color image of Ultima Thule, now officially named Arrokoth, taken at a distance of 85,000 miles (137,000 kilometers) on January 1, 2019
Ultima Thule, the farthest cosmic body ever visited by a spacecraft, has been renamed Arrokoth, or "sky" in the Native American Powhatan language, following a backlash over the previous name's Nazi connotations.
The icy rock, which orbits in the dark and frigid Kuiper Belt about a billion miles beyond Pluto, was surveyed by the NASA spaceship New Horizons in January, with images showing it consisted of two spheres stuck together in the shape of a snowman.
Its technical designation is 2014 MU69, but the New Horizon team nicknamed it Ultima Thule (pronounced Tool-ey) after a mythical northern land in classical and medieval European literature described as beyond the borders of the known world.
That name sparked an angry reaction as it was co-opted by far-right German occultists in the early 20th century as the fabled ancestral home of "Aryan" people—the term they used to describe proto-Indo-Europeans.
Members of Thule Society founded a political party that evolved into Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, and the term remains popular in alt-right circles.
It is, for example, also the name of a Swedish white-power rock group.
The new official name, which was chosen by the New Horizons team and ratified by the International Astronomical Union, was announced in a ceremony at NASA headquarters Tuesday.
A NASA statement made no mention of the controversy.
"The name 'Arrokoth' reflects the inspiration of looking to the skies and wondering about the stars and worlds beyond our own," said Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator from Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado.
"That desire to learn is at the heart of the New Horizons mission, and we're honored to join with the Powhatan community and people of Maryland in this celebration of discovery."
This handout photo released by NASA shows a new image of Arrokoth on a screen during a press conference after the team received
This handout photo released by NASA shows a new image of Arrokoth on a screen during a press conference after the team received confirmation from the New Horizons spacecraft that it has completed the flyby of Arrokoth
NASA added that they had received consent from Powhatan Tribal elders, and the name was chosen to associate the culture of the native people who lived in the region from where the object was first discovered.
Both the Hubble Space Telescope, which found the object in 2014, and the New Horizons mission at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory are operated out of Maryland, whose Chesapeake Bay region is home to the Powhatan people.
Responding to a query by AFP, NASA emphasized Ultima Thule was only ever a nickname—but did not comment on whether the Nazi controversy played a role in it being discarded.
Negative context
But astrophysicist Simon Porter, part of the team that made the discovery and co-investigator for New Horizons' current mission as it exits the solar system, told AFP: "Basically, not enough due diligence was done.
"Historically that name was very positive and (we) realized afterwards that under certain contexts was negative."
Arrokoth is an example of a "cold classical object" which has remained undisturbed since the solar system formed some 4.5 billion years ago.
"So you're looking basically back in time at a snapshot of how the planets formed," said Porter.
"We're studying the surfaces of the object, studying what it's made out of, to try and figure out how the entire solar system was built."
The New Horizons spacecraft is now at the outer edges of the Kuiper Belt that extends from the orbit of Neptune, and will join Voyager 1 and 2 beyond the Sun's sphere of influence and into interstellar space.
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New Horizons chooses nickname for 'ultimate' flyby target
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And very reminiscent of the constant droning on by hysterical, brainwashed hippies ranting over the evils of CO2.davevoce wrote:
It's insane how so many smart people just parrot the settled science as if they were Catholics in the 15th century explaining how God created it all.
The alarmists have until 2022 and then it is all over for global warmists, as CMIP6 data sets will have to be used complete with the limited Solar Forcing data sets that are utterly missing from current CMIP5 data.
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