Shine On

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Re: Shine On

Unread post by JP Michael » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:05 pm

Solar wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:58 pm
So instead of exclusively viewing “double layers” as some type of solid wall, a “force field”, or sheath - despite the fact that they ALSO perform those functions - the Voyager probes suggest that they are actually a type of “membrane” possessing the qualities of being “porous”, and/or “permeable”. It has already been established that material from the ISM and IGM can be found inside the heliosphere and that material from inside the heliosphere can be found just outside of same (Voyager data). In order for that to be the case those species need to bidirectionally travel across said "permeable membrane".
And for those with attentive ears, this kind of language is sounding a lot more like cellular biology! I believe this has been pointed out by other EU pundits, and offers an interesting link between macro and micro structures in the universe.

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Re: Shine On

Unread post by jacmac » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:39 pm

J P Michael:
And for those with attentive ears, this kind of language is sounding a lot more like cellular biology!
Irving Langmuir started using the term PLASMA because it's "life like" properties reminded him of blood plasma.
Our natural environment, the UNIVERSE, seems to be made up of mostly plasma.

Our living selves and all the biology around us has somehow grown out of this environment.
The cellular biology like structure of our solar system was here first, exists on a more massive scale, and is self organized.
Therefore, I suggest we say that LIFE IS PLASMA LIKE.

Focusing more attention on the cell like structure of the solar system and the double layer abilities of plasma is a natural compliment to our discussion of the electric currents and discharges involved in solar physics.

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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Brigit » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:02 pm

by jacmac » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:46 pm
"Our sun is basically a double layered plasma structure. The double layer(DL) in the chromosphere separates the two main plasma areas.
For some reason the EU community has not focused on this. No one has said: "The chromosphere IS the double layer(DL) in the sun."

Here is the relevant statement from The Electric Sky by Don Scott (2006) on the plasma double layer in the chromosphere:
Because of the Sun's positive voltage, it acts exactly like the anode (positive terminal) in a laboratory plasma discharge. As such, it exhibits many of the phenomena observed in earthbound plasmas, such as anode tufting. The granules observed on the surface of the photosphere are anode tufts (plasma cells in the arc mode).
Why do the tufts seem to disappear and then reemerge in relatively short periods of time? The voltage plot in the above figure is drawn for positively charged particles. In order to visualize the effect this energy diagram has on electrons coming in toward the Sun from cosmic space (from the right), we can simply turn this energy plot upside down. (Electrons are negative charges, and what is a high energy level for a +ion is a low energy level for an electron.)
Doing this allows us to visualize the "trap" (or pit) that each photospheric tuft is for incoming electrons. As the trap fills with electrons, the bottom of this inverted pit will rise, and so the tuft weakens, shrinks, and eventually disappears. This is the cause of the observed shrinkage and disappearance of photospheric granules.
Another tuft immediately replaces each disappearing tuft -- remember the lifelike ability of plasma to sustain itself.

The high-voltage plasma in the photosphere is separated from the low voltage plasma of the lower corona by the chromosphere. The voltage drop from the top (photosphere) to the bottom (lower corona) of the potential hill is in the order of 10^9 V or more.
This chromospheric layer is approximately 2000 km wide (high).. It contains a plasma double layer (DL). Most of the radio-frequency noise emitted by the Sun emanates from this region. Radio noise is a well-known property of DLs.
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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Brigit » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:03 pm

Figure 10 in his book looks like this:

https://electric-cosmos.org/PENFIL2.jpg
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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Brigit » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:15 pm

THE SUN — Our Variable Star
November 9th, 2003
https://www.holoscience.com/wp/the-sun- ... able-star/


Important Consequences of the Electric Star Model for the Sun

1. A star is formed electromagnetically, not gravitationally, and is powered thereafter electrically (by Eddington’s “subtle radiation”).

2. Near the Sun, galactic transmission lines are in the form of 0.3 parsecs wide rotating Birkeland filaments (based on those detected at the center of the Milky Way). Their motion relative to the Sun will produce a slowly varying magnetic field and current density –’ in other words a solar activity cycle. To that extent, all stars are variable. And just like real estate, location is vital.

3. An electric star has an internal radial electric field. But because plasma is an outstanding conductor it cannot sustain a high electric field. So plasma self-organizes to form a protective sheath or ‘double layer’ across which most of the electric field is concentrated and in which most of the electrical energy is stored. It is the release of that internal stored energy that causes CME’s, nova outbursts, polar jets, and the birth of stellar companions.

4. In a ball of plasma like the Sun the radial electric field will tend to be concentrated in shells or double layers above and beneath the photosphere. A double layer exists above the solar photosphere, in the chromosphere.

5. The photosphere and chromosphere together act like a pnp transistor, modulating the current flow in the solar wind.* It has an effective negative feedback influence to steady the energy radiated by the photosphere so that astrophysicists can talk of a ‘solar constant,’ while the Sun”s other external electrical activity (UV light and x-rays) is much more variable. Because the photosphere is an electrical plasma discharge phenomenon it also expands or contracts to adjust to its electrical environment. That explains why the Sun ‘rings’ like an electric bell.

6. Double layers may break down with an explosive release of electrical energy. A nova outburst is a result of the breakdown of an internal stellar DL. Hannes Alfvén suggested that billions of volts could exist across a typical solar flare double layer.

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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Higgsy » Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:04 pm

Brigit wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:15 pm
THE SUN — Our Variable Star
November 9th, 2003
https://www.holoscience.com/wp/the-sun- ... able-star/
Important Consequences of the Electric Star Model for the Sun

1. A star is formed electromagnetically, not gravitationally, and is powered thereafter electrically (by Eddington’s “subtle radiation”).
Do you or Wal have any idea or model for how that might work within the Sun and where we can find the currents in the solar system necessary to power the Sun electrically to the tune of 10^26W?
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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Brigit » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:29 pm

by Higgsy » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:04 am
1. A star is formed electromagnetically, not gravitationally, and is powered thereafter electrically (by Eddington’s “subtle radiation”).
Do you or Wal have any idea or model for how that might work within the Sun and where we can find the currents in the solar system necessary to power the Sun electrically to the tune of 10^26W?
I will show you the calcs in a moment, but first I'd like to tell you that the currents they are speaking of do not only power the sun, they power the galaxies.
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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Higgsy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:12 am

Brigit wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:29 pm
I will show you the calcs in a moment, but first I'd like to tell you that the currents they are speaking of do not only power the sun, they power the galaxies.
Perhaps it would be better to open a topic in the Electric Universe section of the forum than to continue this discussion here?
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Re: Shine On

Unread post by Brigit » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:17 pm

A new thread --
Sunward Electrons

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