TPODs Best Parts & Questions

[Lloyd]

Cosmic Accelerator [Source of Cosmic Rays]
Mar 07, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... erator.htm
- Cosmic rays are ions accelerated to velocities approaching the speed of light by "unknown" forces.
- Most cosmic rays are at energy levels below one billion electron volts.
- When they hit atoms in Earth's atmosphere they are absorbed before they reach the ground.
- But they initiate small secondary showers of particles.
- Published research in 2009 identified exploding stars as the best candidate for producing cosmic rays.
- But new observations by the Russian-Italian Mission [RIM] suggest that cosmic rays are not produced by supernovae.
- Published research in 2009 identified exploding stars as the best candidate.
- Exploding stars (supernovae) are points where cosmic Birkeland currents create "z-pinch" vortices.
- Magnetic fields in space seem to be generated by electric currents flowing through and around galaxies.
- Magnetic forces constrict the current filaments, twisting them around each other and forming z-pinch compression zones.
- Double layers form in these stellar circuits, with positive and negative charge.
- A likely mechanism for cosmic ray production is the "exploding" double layer.
- At times a double layer can interrupt current flow in the circuit.
- This causes a catastrophic rise in voltage across the double layer.
- The double layer then explodes releasing powerful energy, as seen sometimes on Earth with power transmission switchyard circuit breakers.
- Electric forces accelerate charged particles with energies of 10^20 electron volts or more.
- Laboratory experiments with particle accelerators confirm this.
- Mechanical shock waves cannot produce that much power.

Hide and Seek [Hidden Matter Found; No More Dark Matter]
Mar 08, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 08seek.htm
- Astronomers always knew they were missing some fraction of the galaxies in Lyman-alpha light surveys.
- Now Matthew Hayes of ESO says they have a measurement and the number stars missed is substantial.
- The hydrogen electron has 3 potential altitudes above the proton nucleus, called n1, n2 & n3, from farthest to nearest altitude.
- Astronomers have previously observed Lyman-alpha ultraviolet starlight emitted by electrons moving from n2 to n1.
- Now ESO has observed H-alpha infrared starlight emitted by electrons moving from n3 to n2.
- These electron orbit jumps are most likely due to electric effects.
- 90% more stars have been detected, because infrared is not obstructed as much by dust.
- This may prove fatal to the theory of dark matter, which was based on the assumed need for missing matter, which may be no longer missing.
- Galaxies and their associated stars are likely driven by electric currents flowing through dusty plasma.
- Birkeland currents create z-pinch compression zones between spinning magnetic fields.
- The compressed ions form spheres of glowing plasma, some in arc mode, some in glow mode and some in between.
- Circuits of electricity pouring into them from outside power the stars and galaxies.
- Around the galaxies are slowly fluctuating Birkeland filaments, causing mass density variations, misinterpreted as gravitational effects.
- Also around them are toroid rings of charged plasma, that shine in extreme ultraviolet, X-ray, and gamma ray light.

Electric Pulsars [False Neutron Star Theory]
Mar 09, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... ulsars.htm
- Astronomers now propose electric current moving faster than light as pulsar power sources.
- Pulsars are described as "lighthouses" emitting rotating beams of energy.
- But the pulses of many pulsars are more frequent than one per second.
- No stellar mass known to science can withstand the forces of such spin rates.
- Such stars are theorized to consist of neutrons, but neutrons are unstable without protons.
- Now it is proposed that neutron stars produce intense magnetic fields that generate electric currents that are faster than light.
- And the electricity is thought to cause charge separation and the moving opposite charges to emit the beams of light.
- There's a more plausible mechanism than compacted matter and extreme rotation speeds.
- The pulses in pulsars are caused by resonant effects in electric circuits.
- The sudden release of stored electrical energy in a “double layer” is responsible for their energetic outbursts.
- Pulsars shine with visible light and sometimes X-rays and gamma rays.
- The outbursts begin with a sudden peak of energy, and then gradually decline, like a stroke of lightning.
- As the current flows through clouds of dusty plasma it concentrates forces by the Biot-Savart effect, forming helical zones of immense compression known as z-pinches.
- Pulsars make immense concentrations of electricity, probably by some kind of "plasma gun" effect.

Galactic Hexagon [M61 & M51 Galaxies]
Mar 10, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... exagon.htm
- Some galaxies exhibit polygonal structures.
- [See especially the Whirlpool Galaxy M51: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sour ... 0&aql=&oq= ]
- [See also http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... f=3&t=4297].
- Many natural structures have been shown to be hexagonal: Saturn's hexagon, hexagonal craters on planets and moons, and hurricane eyes, to name a few.
- There are other occurrences on Saturn that are clearly electrical in nature: the ring spokes, the Dragon Storm, the Great White Spot, the polar aurorae, and the mid-latitude ultraviolet discharges.
- Plasma is more strongly influenced by electromagnetism than it is by any other force, including gravity.
- The term "diocotron instability" refers to the distortions that occur when two sheets of plasma flow past each other.
- A diocotron instability explains the Saturnian hexagon quite well.
- EU theory considers galaxies to be the progeny of electromagnetic coupling.
- Birkeland current filaments conduct electricity across cosmic distances, twining around one another until they crush plasma into discrete formations.
- A typical barred spiral galaxy is created in two or more twists of those intergalactic filaments.
- Diocotron instabilities in the Birkeland current filaments are most likely responsible for the hexagonal shapes seen in galaxies.

MRO's Fifth Year [Mars Electrical Features]
Mar 11, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch11/110311mro.htm
- Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's 5 years of imaging help confirm Electric Universe theories.
- The equatorial diameter of Mars is approximately 6793 kilometers, about half that of Earth.
- Its average temperature is -63° Celsius, compared to Earth at 13 Celsius.
- The atmospheric density on Mars is equivalent to standing on top of a mountain six times taller than Mount Everest [i.e. 33 miles high].
- Mars once experienced powerful plasma discharges on a massive scale.
- The northern latitudes of Mars are six kilometers below the mean elevation of the planet.
- Burned and blasted craters, piles of scorched dust covering almost an entire hemisphere, and great trenches suggest that lightning thousands or millions of times more energetic than we know today devastated Mars.
- Mineral deposits, such as olivine, that would be destroyed by water, suggest that Mars had little or now water.
- Valles Marineris, Olympus Mons, the vast 900 kilometer crater in Argyre Planitia, the terraced mounds in Arabia Terra, as well as both Martian poles are electric discharge effects.

[jjohnson]

Lloyd, your characterization of the "solar wind" as lightning coursing through the solar system is spot on. It is ionized, it seems more like "sheet lightning" or "bulk" lightning as it is at a different scale and morphology than in-atmosphere lightning on earth, but it is lightning nonetheless.

Here http://wsx.lanl.gov/Publications/lightning_bolt.html
is an 1996 article by some Los Alamos physicists on the measured propagation speed of lightning.It is a short, somewhat informal investigation performed as a back-up action when their comet viewing conditions turned out poorly, but it is well-instrumented and accurately measured. Their order of magnitude is 10^5 m/s, which would be 10^2 km/s. This is in a resistive atmosphere, of course. In the less-resistive condition of the interplanetary medium (plasma) the velocity of a lightning-like phenomenon would be expected to be higher. The ACES spacecraft and other instruments routinely measure the particle velocities in the solar "wind" in the range of a couple hundred to several hundreds of km/s. Eerily close, and cosmically large in scale.

Makes one wonder of gamma rays might also be caused locally by this solar "wind", at those speeds and temperatures.

[jjohnson]

To continue, the difference is that the solar wind does not normally operate in the arc mode, of course. It may be that in open space conditions in a highly conductive medium (as contrasted with air) the charge density of the solar wind is so low that arc mode is simply not obtained, despite the similar velocity of propagation. I wish I had some feel for precisely what charge densities are required for the various modes of plasma discharge, and how it may depend on temperature and types of elements present.

Arcing around comets may be indicative of conditions where arc mode actually exists, or possibly glow mode, such as in the extended coma.

Jim

[Lloyd]

Going Round the Sun in Circles [Unusual Solar Event]
Mar 14, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... ircles.htm
- On 26 June 1873, when half of the sun was above the horizon at dawn, two people in Fort Scott, Kansas saw the form of a huge serpent around it for some moments.
- This was during the maximum of solar cycle 11.
- A flurry of notable aurorae occurred at that time from 18 to 27 June 1873.
- One experienced observer of West Charlotte, Vermont, recorded an all night aurora on 22 and 23 June.
- She called the peak occurrence on the 25th as the most brilliant aurora of the year.
- The “serpent” was likely a solar prominence producing or coinciding with a coronal mass ejection.
- Reporters described a mega-filament on 16 November 2010 as a “snakelike solar filament arcing up from the sun”.
- It reached a length of 700,000 kilometers before snapping and sparking off a coronal mass ejection on 6 December.
- If the "serpent" was not a solar prominence, it may have been a solar halo.
- Or it may have been an optical corona diffraction disc.
- In ancient Egyptian art and literature, the circular snake, or ouroboros, and uraeus serpents were portrayed surrounding the sun.
- The English astronomer, Sir William Huggins in the late 1800s addressed the Royal Society of London with his electrical model of the sun.
- Another of Huggin’s hunches was that the corona was faintly visible in the earliest ages of the human race.
[Cardona et al say the Sun was not visible until the Saturn System broke up 4,500 years ago.]

The Dust of Creeds Outworn [Supernova]
Mar 15, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 15dust.htm
- Chandra X-ray Observatory scientists describe this image as gas and dust condensed from supernova debris.
- Glowing clouds there are said to be energized and heated by a shock wave from the supernova.
- Material is streaming away at enormous speed past other stars.
- Explosions inside clouds of hot gas are unlikely to create X-rays.
- Stars are not simplistic globes of hot gas under pressure.
- They are composed of plasma, ionized, electrically charged substance.
- Charge separation may occur in the short circuit discharges known as supernova remnants.
- Everywhere in the Solar System cellular structures separated by double layers abound.
- The Sun's heliosphere, comet tails, and magnetospheres are examples of charge separation in plasma double layers.
- A supernova is an exploding double layer in plasma.
- External electric currents make the radiation and “wind” from stars, the stellar corona, chromosphere and photosphere.
- Supernovae are the result of “throwing a switch” in the galactic circuit.
- The stored electromagnetic energy in the entire circuit is suddenly focused at one point.
- This stored energy increases expansion far beyond the star surface.
- Radiation is pushed into bursts of ultraviolet or X-ray, high-energy light.
- The roughly concentric radial filaments of G54.1+0.3 are an end view of a cylindrical interstellar Birkeland filament.
- The filament is pinching into an hourglass shape and powering the bright central star.
- Shock waves and infrared heat are secondary manifestations of a primarily electrical event.
- Infrared light in space is usually synchrotron radiation produced by electrons moving in magnetic fields.
- Birkeland currents make synchrotron radiation, which is not an indicator of high temperature.
- X-ray radiation is typical of stars undergoing extreme electrical stress.

Polar Wondering [Polar Wandering and Ancient Social Reforms]
Mar 16, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... dering.htm
- There has been rapid wandering of the north geomagnetic pole in recent years estimated at 37 miles per year and possibly accelerating.
- The popular media is feeding a widespread fear of a complete reversal of the earth’s magnetic poles.
- Scientists have only been studying records of past pole movements for two decades or so.
- In 1992 a Japanese team made the diagram above of the path of the north geomagnetic pole over the past 10 millennia.
- The geomagnetic pole moved 15º from 10 to 7 millennia ago.
- It moved less than 5º from 7 to 3.7 millennia ago.
- And it moved over 10º since then, to just below 80º N latitude.
- The Russian Sterno-Etrussia geomagnetic excursion occurred between 2.8 and 2.6 millennia ago.
- In that time the pole moved more than 10º East to 81.4º N, 45.1º E, NE of Spitsbergen.
- Babylon was at the same longitude, making its magnetic latitude 40.8º N.
- Its present magnetic latitude is 27.0º.
- Auroral activity should have been high in Babylon in 567 BC.
- Magnificent overhead auroral coronae occurred on 14 May 1921 at 40º magnetic latitude.
- And the famous "Carrington Event" occurred on 1 September 1859 at 36º.
- Babylonian observations confirmed a red glow at about 600 BC in several cuneiform texts.
- Similar records were uncommon before and after that.
- The famous vision of the chariot by Ezekiel may have been of the aurora.
- It was described as “an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light.”
- There was also a luminous structure of wheels, animal-like creatures, “an expanse, sparkling like ice” and the enthroned deity.
- Hallucinations, induced by ambient electromagnetic fields, may have enhanced aururoral apparitions.
- This time period roughly corresponds to the so-called "axial age," which was typified by spiritual revolutions from Greece to China.
- These included Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Hebrew reforms prophets and Greek philosophy.
- There is thus a correlation between geomagnetic upheaval and inspirational visions of many sages at that time.
– So all are advised to allay "Doomsday" fears and enjoy the [upcoming?] ride.

Electromagnetic Galaxies [Galactic Magnetic Fields]
Mar 17, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... gnetic.htm
- Galactic magnetic fields were discovered more than 50 years ago.
- George Ellery Hale first plotted the Sun's magnetic field using the "Zeeman effect".
- That's the change in position of Fraunhofer lines in spectrograms of the Sun.
- Optical spectra indicate which chemicals can be found in stars.
- In the presence of a magnetic field, elements produce spectral lines that split and occupy different positions.
- Magnetic fields in space can be detected more easily than electric currents.
- Moving charged particles constitute an electric current, which is wrapped in a magnetic field.
- When more charged particles accelerate in the same direction, the field gets stronger.
- For charged particles to move, they must move in a circuit.
- Energetic events cannot be explained by local conditions alone, but entire circuits must be considered.
- Filaments expand and explode, throwing off plasma that can accelerate to near light-speed.
- Jets from opposite poles of a galaxy end in energetic clouds emitting X-ray frequencies.
- In 1981 Hannes Alfvén said that galaxies are much like Faraday's homopolar motor.
- A homopolar motor is driven by magnetic fields induced in a circular conducting plate.
- The plate is mounted between the poles of an electromagnet, causing it to spin at a rate proportional to the input current.
- Electricity organizes within masses of plasma sometimes larger than galaxy clusters.
- That plasma contains mostly neutral atoms along with free electrons and ions.
- Electric currents flowing through dusty plasma sustain the magnetic fields detected in stars and galaxies.

Earthquakes and Volcanoes [Electric Discharges]
Mar 18, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... canoes.htm
- Over the last two hundred years, lightning has been reported in the ash clouds from numerous volcanic eruptions.
- There were reports of ball lightning bigger than beach balls rolling along the ground when Mt. St. Helens erupted in 1980 [not 1981].
- The Iceland volcano, Eyjafjallajökull, last year in the spring produced flashes that lit up the sky for miles.
- Earth's magnetic field induces current flow in conductive strata.
- The large electric currents found there are called telluric currents, measuring thousands of amps.
- Geomagnetic storms from the Sun can affect Earth's magnetic field.
- An increase in sunspots or solar flares cause oscillations in the ionosphere and then fluctuations in telluric currents.
- Earthquakes can produce luminous events, ball lightning and bright, colorful cloud-like formations in the sky.
- Glow discharges occur before and after earthquakes, since compressing quartz creates a flow of electric current.
- Radio noise can be detected coming from areas under extreme stress.
- Stronger electric current flowing through quartz makes the quartz vibrate at higher frequency.
- Earth is a capacitor that is charged and discharged by external electric fields.
- Capacitors have two conductor plates separated by a dielectric insulator.
[ The plates are the ionosphere and the Earth's crust; the insulator is the atmosphere.]
- Electric charge on one plate attracts opposite charge to the other and makes an electric field between them.
- When too much charge builds up on one or both plates, the capacitor will short circuit, suddenly releasing the stored energy.
- Magma is liquid plasma, which conducts electricity.
- The ionosphere gets charged up by solar flares, then opposite charge builds up in magma underground.
- Electromagnetic forces between magma current filaments and double layers can cause sudden pressure variations.
- If the charge differential between double layers becomes too great, they explode, releasing the stored energy suddenly.
- Thus, earthquakes are underground lightning.
- If there is a break in the strata, magma can be forced up to the surface.
- The electric current in the magma can then connect as a lightning bolt from the summit of a volcano to the air.
- Seismic waves, detected by seismometers, may be equivalent to the shockwaves of thunderclaps.
- Most of the energy release in an earthquake then is likely from exploding double layers.

[Lloyd]

Mythology at Stake [Golden Axis Motif]
Mar 21, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 1stake.htm
- Monkey’s magic rod was described in the novel, Wu Chengen’s Journey to the West (1590s), as a golden staff, that emitted “a thousand shafts of golden light".
- The central challenge in comparative mythology is to account for the many similarities between traditions from different cultures and ages.
- An example is how some mythical being lifted up the sky from the earth by means of a golden rod-like implement.
- In the Sumerian tale, recorded on clay tablets some 4,000 years ago, the god Enlil raies heaven with his hoe at the world axis where flesh or life came forth in the city of Nippur.
- The hoe, refined with fire, is wrought in gold, its top inlaid on a plough of lapis lazuli, the blade, like a battering ram, tied on with a cord and adorned with silver and gold.
- The idea may be that the hoe became the axis.
- A myth, reported orally prior to 1925 by Wiradjuri people in central New South Wales, Australia, said a rod of gold that grew enabled a chief to lift up the sky by its magical protrusion.
- The resemblance among many myths springs from the tendency of different people to interpret a similar display of forms, colours and motions using similar metaphors.
- Meteorites, bolides, comets, eclipses, aurorae etc were all mythologised in terms of similar symbols.
- The above myths may describe the formation and collapse of an ancient glowing plasma z-pinch in the earth’s atmosphere and beyond.

Dark Lensing [Galactic Plasma, Not Lensing]
Mar 22, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... ensing.htm
- Gravitational lensing theory is used to explain the arcs of glowing material surrounding some galaxies.
- In the image above, galactic redshift data was plotted against the altered shapes of distant galaxies.
- The entire premise depends on a single assumption, that higher redshift equals greater distance.
- Halton Arp noticed there was something wrong with conventional time-speed-distance calculations.
- He found objects with higher redshift values in front of objects with lower redshift.
- It is noteworthy that the amount of gravitational mass invented to save conventional theories is the same as the ionized plasma that is overlooked.

MESSENGER in Orbit [Mercury Data]
Mar 23, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... senger.htm
- After a seven year journey MESSENGER is now Mercury's first satellite.
- Mercury is only 4878 km in diameter; Ganymede and Titan are both larger.
- Mercury, like most planets in the Solar System, has a weak magnetic field, but scientists have no idea how it is generated.
- A magnetometer on the MESSENGER satellite should help resolve where the magnetic field originates.
- Mercury rotates once every 58.6 days and completes 3 rotations for every 2 orbits, at 88 days per orbit.
- If its estimated high density is correct, Mercury may be almost 75% iron with a shell of silicon-rich rock.
- Mercury's surface temperature exceeds 400 C at noon, and it receives nine times more radiation than the Earth.
- Despite the searing heat and being bombarded by charged particles from the Sun, it possess a detectable atmosphere.
- Mercury could be a young planet, like Titan, which retains some of its primordial atmosphere.
- Electromagnetic flux tubes were found connecting Mercury's weak magnetic field directly to the Sun with gigantic filaments of electric current.
- THEMIS found similar electric tornadoes at the sunward surface of Earth's magnetosphere.
- The electric tornadoes over Mercury may be remnants of far more powerful glow or arc mode tornadoes in the past.
[Was Mercury seen to have a bright horn?]
- The Caloris Basin is a 1300 km multi-ringed crater and on the opposite side of Mercury are bizarre antipodal folds and uplifts.
- Craters are usually circular because the electromagnetic forces constrain them to strike at right angles to the surface.
- Most of the debris on Mercury appears to be chunks of fallback material blown out by explosive plasma discharges.
- The craters, like the one above, usually have little if any ejecta surrounding them.
- Craters are woven together in patterns that crisscross and braid themselves over and under one another.
- They all lie along the path of flat-topped mesas that rise above deep chasms cutting across the landscape.
- Many chasms slice right through a crater and its central peak.
- See "Astronomical Myths of Mercury and the Sun," by Wal Thornhill.

Lunar Charge Distribution
Mar 24, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... charge.htm
- The Moon has no intrinsic magnetic field and it does not radiate its own light.
- Water ice was discovered at the south pole buried beneath the walls of sun-shaded craters.
- Latent magnetic fields were detected by the Lunar Prospector spacecraft in the 1990s.
- Magnetic fields are made by electric currents.
- NASA's DREAM project found electric charge in some of the polar craters.
- In 1968, the Surveyor 7 spacecraft detected a faint glow in the lunar night above the horizon.
- The solar wind might be what charges up the craters to many hundreds of volts.
- By 1998, the Lunar Prospector detected a surprisingly high voltage change as it passed through Earth's magnetotail during full moon.
- The magnetotail is part of a cometary plasma sheath that envelops our planet.
- The tail points away from the Sun due to the high-speed ions in the solar wind.
- Electrons accumulate on the moon and produce a negative charge on the ultra-fine dust particles, causing them to repel each other and drift off the surface.
- This is probably because the Moon has no atmosphere at all, so the electric charges have greater effect.
- Charge differential between the day and night side of the Moon, over 1000 volts, might generate an ion “wind”.
- The wind would flow from the negatively charged night side into the more positively charged sunlit side.
- The photoelectric effect would reduce the negative charge on the daylight side, but increase it on the night side, forming static electricity.
- Ralph Juergens thought rayed craters like Tycho on the Moon's far side were formed by an electric discharge atmospheric-breakdown process.
[Does that mean the Moon had an atmosphere?]
- He thought triggering electrons for the Tycho discharge were assembled from numerous distant points in all directions to a common collection point.
- Earth's cometary plasmasphere changes shape and power, like a flag waving, as solar electric currents bombard it.
- This oscillation means electric charges brush the lunar surface several times as the Moon passes through Earth's plasmasphere.

Shots in the Dark, Part One [Ladder to Heaven Motif]
Mar 25, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 25dark.htm
- Striations in an electrical discharge tube resemble ancient mythical ladder to heaven.
- The mythical landscape was replete with structures unfamiliar today.
- Puzzling apparitions dominate the ancient scene.
- One example is the so-called chain of arrow or spearheads, suspended from the sky to the Earth.
- Countless myths tell how one or a group of mythical beings made this chain in the days of creation.
- The Kaurna tribe of South Australia said Monana was throwing large spears.
- He threw one upwards, but it did not return to the earth.
- So he continued throwing spears upward until he made a chain that reached the ground.
- The lowest spear was described as a crescent form, like a bird’s beak.
- The Kutenai of Idaho, Montana, and British Columbia said Raven set the last of the chain of arrows.
- A tribe in northern Vancouver Island said the one Born-to-be-the-Sun strung his bow and shot four arrows to the upper world.
- They formed a chain that reached the ground.
- He shook them and they became a rope.
- In some myths, the chain loses flexibility and a solid, collinear structure results.
- The Kutenai said the arrows were transformed into Mount Baker, near Cranbrook, British Columbia.
- More often the freezing of the arrows produced a ladder or stairway.
- The Tlingit of NW British Columbia said the son of a great chief shot away arrows, then went to sleep on a hill.
- He woke up to find the chain of arrows became a long ladder reaching down to him.
- Two groups of Malaysia said Tapern made a ladder to heaven by shooting a darts from his blow-pipe into the air.
- The first one stuck into a black cloud and the others stuck together below it.
- Many myths said beings ascended or descended the ladder and war ensued between creatures of the sky and people of Earth.
- The ladder or cable was eventually severed and two realms became separated.
- Versions on this story proliferate in the Americas and in parts of Oceania.
- In Africa, heaped-up trees or pillars and in Eurasia stacked mountains take the place of the arrows.

[Lloyd]

Shots in the Dark Part Two [Plasma of Arrow Chain Myths]
Mar 28, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 8dark2.htm
- An 1879 experiment conducted electricity through rarefied gases modulated by a magnetic field.
- The tube of N2 produced a spiral plasma.
- The tube of CO2 made nine stacked toroids in a Y-shaped plasma column.
- The previous TPOD discussed myths about celestial arrow chains or a celestial ladder.
- They are variations of the axis mundi or cosmic polar column.
- Arrow chains may mark a specific stage in the temporal development of the column.
- Physicists began in the 1800s to experiment with sustained electrical discharges in rarefied gases.
- They found that a row of multiple plasma discs or toroids formed.
- Henry d’Abria did this in 1843, Grove in 1852 and Maxwell in 1873.
- They found that, if the current is increased, more toroids form closer together.
- Maxwell thought such experiments might come to explain the nature of the medium pervading space.
- The luminous disks are now viewed as a type of plasma instability, called a Peratt instability, occurring in z-pinches.
- In 1878 de la Rue and Müller reported on an extensive set of similar experiments.
- They reported luminosities arranged in serpent-like form.
- Also ... parallel worm-like entities, spheroids, disc-shaped, saucer-shaped, or umbrella-shaped strata, or small crescent-shaped disks.
- The number was from 2 to 62.
- Also ... arrow-headed nebulosity, or luminosity, in a wavelike formation, or arranged in a spiral etc.
- About 1879 Capron generated similar toroids and spirals to prove the electrical nature of the aurorae.
- Peratt put a firmer foundation under such early researches using new technology and simulation software.
- Experiments seem to confirm the metamorphosis of the pliable plasma string into a rigid ladder.
- Peratt suggested that prehistoric petroglyphs of caterpillars and ladders were similar plasma formations.
- The earth’s atmosphere likely once or repeatedly sported a prodigious z-pinch, stratified into an array of plasmoids.

Redshifts and Microwaves [Proof Against Expanding Universe]
Mar 29, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... shifts.htm
- In the image of Galaxy NGC 7319, arrow points to a foreground high redshift quasar.
- On October 3, 2003 the Big Bang theory was falsified by direct observation.
- NGC 7319 has a redshift of z = 0.0225 and a quasar in front of its opaque clouds has a redshift of z = 2.114.
- According to the Big Bang, the NGC 7319 quasar "must be billions of light years farther away than the galaxy" because it has a higher redshift.
- Yet, since the galaxy is opaque and the quasar is not obscured by it, it has to be in front of the galactic clouds and not shining through them.
- In 2001 NASA launched WMAP to reexamine unusual telemetry returned by the COBE satellite in 1992.
- Wal Thornhill pointed out that neither COBE nor WMAP detected "cosmic" radiation.
- Rather, they both found the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in the Milky Way near the solar system.
- It's not the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), but the Interstellar Microwave Background.
- The "CMB" is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the Universe.
- Redshifts and microwaves have proven inadequate to support gravity-based theory.

Damp Stars [Water in Stars]
Mar 30, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... pstars.htm
- The image is of the so-called carbon star IRC+10216, a red giant star in Leo.
- Some such stars are said to be surrounded by halos of hot water mixed with carbon dust.
- ESA's Herschel observatory scientists think ultraviolet light from nearby stars could break apart CO and SiO in the star's gaseous clumps, allowing O and H atoms to form water.
- In an Electric Universe, a red giant is a star lacking a photosphere.
- IRC+10216's chromosphere has expanded by electrical attraction to exterior electrons.
- Stars are giant spheres of slow-motion lightning, and fusion takes place only on their surfaces.
- The primary observation of a star is the current density at its surface.
- The star is an anode that has self-limiting potential expansion.
- As the star's plasma sheath expands, its electric field gets stronger.
- Electrons caught in the field accelerate and ionize neutral particles, creating the red anode glow.
- The atmosphere beneath the chromosphere is cooler, and energetic electrons attracted to the star form oxygen and carbon atoms there.
- The inward flow of electrons is balanced by an outward flow of positive ions.
- Electric stars form by Marklund convection, so their cores contain heavy elements, like carbon, not hydrogen.
- Remote ultraviolet emanations from other stars have much less effect than does electrical activity.

Pulsar, Pulsar [New Pulsar]
Mar 31, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... pulsar.htm
- The above is a composite image of pulsar G327.1-1.1: seen in x-ray (blue), radio (red and yellow), and infrared (field stars).
- Based on gravity theory, a pulsar appears to be the core of a supernova after a spherical implosion.
- The collapsed core might blow off a circular fast windy interstellar gas shockwave, that leaves behind an empty bubble.
- This pulsar and its windy nebula are off-center, moving in opposite directions.
- Its x-ray emissions have a comet-like shape.
- Both the windy nebula and the outer “blast wave” are hexagonal.
- In the real Electric Universe, energy doesn’t emanate from gravitational point sources that produce spherical energy distribution.
- Electric Birkeland current energy is more like a lightning stroke or an aurora.
- Plasma instabilities impose quasi-stable forms, like jets, comet-shapes and hexagons.
- Saturn's polar clouds and many craters are hexagonal.
- This pulsar is not off-center; it's a pinch in an x-ray jet from a corner of the windy nebula hexagon.
- Diocotron instabilities, like the swirls in auroras, make small vortices in the toroidal plasma nebula, pulling it into the hexagonal shape.
- Charge can build up a vortex and a plasma-gun mechanism can discharge the jet and its pinch.
- The pulsar will likely prove to be a double star that has set up the pulsar's electrical circuit oscillation.

Nox Aeterna [Blue Giant Star with Gamma Rays]
Apr 01, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... eterna.htm
- The INTEGRAL gamma-ray image shows isotopic aluminum-26 distribution in the galactic plane.
- The ESA INTEGRAL Gamma-Ray satellite was launched in 2002 outside Earth's obscuring radiation belts.
- INTEGRAL recently observed intense gamma-ray emissions from the Cygnus X-1 star system.
- Cygnus X-1, a strong X-ray source, is thought to be a blue supergiant (HDE 226868) with a companion black hole.
- It also has bipolar jets of ionized particles, not readily explicable by black hole physics.
- The only force that can really create these energetic particle beams light-years long is electromagnetism.
- Electric currents produce magnetic fields, which form channels for the plasma jets.
- The two lobes of Cygnus X-1's radio jets are cones of plasma viewed from one end.
- They're the result of a stellar scale dense plasma focus or plasma gun.
- The disk around it is an expulsion disk produced from stellar flares and the magnetic fields.
- Plasma arc discharges generate high-energy ultraviolet light.
- Increasing the electric current to the arc would produce x-rays and gamma-rays, like in the biggest lightning bolts.
- The gamma-rays and x-rays from Cygnus X-1 are probably cosmic lightning from electrified clouds of plasma.

[Lloyd]

Dark Satellites [Satellites of Galaxies]
Apr 04, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 04dark.htm
- The image shows H1 Hydrogen emissions in M51, [a hexagon-shaped] galaxy.
- UCB Astronomers propose that large galaxies should have "lots" of smaller galaxies in orbit around them.
- Since they're not visible, it is thought that most of them are composed of hypothetical dark matter.
- Disturbances in H1 hydrogen distribution in galactic discs might indicate gravitational perturbations from invisible galaxies.
- The Milky Way has smaller companions, the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds, the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy etc.
- In 1933, Fritz Zwicky, studying the Coma Cluster, found that orbital acceleration and stellar mass were off by about 160.
- He guessed there was something invisible holding the cluster together.
- That something is probably electricity, which he failed to consider.
- Electric Birkeland currents flowing in dusty plasma create z-pinch compression zones between spinning magnetic fields.
- The compression zones shape the stars, galaxies and galaxy clusters.
- Cosmic Birkeland currents are detected by radio astronomers as filamentary structures with magnetic fields.
- Birkeland currents are drawn toward each other by the long-range electric force 39 times stronger than gravity.
- Birkeland currents twist around one another, forming a helix.
- A cross section through a helical current should show a barred-spiral shape, like that of a galaxy.
- M51's electrical filaments are clearly visible in the image above.
- Alfvén postulated that electricity flows into both poles of a galaxy, out through the spiral arms, then back into the poles, but also branching out to other galaxies.
- The Sloan Digital Sky Survey found a ring of stars 120,000 light years from our galaxy's center.
- Instead of dark matter dwarf companions, galaxies most likely have dark mode electrically driven satellites.

Falling Stars and X-rays [ULX Quasars]
Apr 05, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... 5xrays.htm
- The image is of NGC 1399 in the Fornax Cluster, a high-energy x-ray source.
- The ultraluminous X-ray source, or ULX, is thought to be the result of a black hole.
- But a realistic known source of x-rays are electrons accelerated in a moderate electric field.
- In 1974, Halton Arp and others found 43 X-ray sources in the Fornax Dogleg Galaxy NGC 1097.
- The spectra of 31 out of 33 of them, or 94%, showed they were quasars.
- And the quasars were aligned with the four galactic jets.
- Most ULXs in other galaxies were later found also to be quasars.
- A quasar is probably highly charged matter under great electrical stress.
- A quasar's spectrum shows a blue continuum and very few emission lines.
- The Stark effect causes emission lines in a strong electric field to spread out in proportion to the field strength.
- Lines of lighter elements are spread more than lines of heavier ones.
- A strong electric field in a quasar would smear the blue Hydrogen lines into a continuum.
- Globular clusters of stars are probably not primordial assemblages.
- They're likely likeball lightning fragments expelled from a galaxy's electric discharge.
- The ULX in NGC 1399's globular cluster is likely its recently ejected quasar.
- The globular cluster may have accumulated enough charge to eject its own quasar.

Jordan's Valley of the Moon [E.D. Features in Jordan]
Apr 06, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... valley.htm
- NASA's EO-1 satellite returned the above image of Wadi Rum, a dry valley in Jordan. - Wadi Rum is a collection of granite and sandstone mountains, with valleys choked in sand.
- The highest peaks reach about 1700 meters and are nearly vertical.
- It's called “Valley of the Moon” becuse of its barren and chaotic terrain.
- Jabal Rum is a chunk of sandstone 700 meters thick atop a 40 meter thick granite slab.
- Like many desert regions, sinuous channels and vertical cliff walls are found there.
- They are usually attributed to ancient precipitation, since there is little rainfall now.
- The dry gullies (wadis) and steep cliffs are thought to have been carved by floods after the last Ice Age glaciers melted 15,000 years ago.
- But the sharpness of the cuts into the stone and the vertical cliffs belie water erosion.
- Erosion is a blurring and rounding process.
- Conical mountain peaks should slowly reduce to flattened mounds and finally wear down to a plain.
- If the mesas, gullies, pillars, spikes, and ridges have all been exposed to wind and rain for millions of years, they should not still be so sharp, steep and well-defined.
- The gullies that stretch out from a common center and the sharp ridges with sine wave undulations are likely the remains of giant lightning bolts.
- The megalightning cut into the topography like a plasma knife.
- Lightning often makes Lichtenberg figures common in mineral formations on Earth.
- Martian topography resembles the erosion patterns in Jordan with multi-branched canyons, steep walls, flat bottoms, sinuous rilles and rims with scallop-shaped cutouts.
- Like the abstract rock sculptures atop Amazonian tepuis, stone points, thickets of tubular palisades and upraised, columnar “hands” with multiple fingers are also found at Wadi Rum.
- Rain and wind erosion cannot leave behind stacked stone towers with many layers, sharp edges, mushroom-shaped caps and fine detail.
- It would have softened them long ago.
- Uniformitarians assume slow, steady effects in geology.
- Craters are considered ancient, not recent.
- Mountain ranges and valleys are considered older than human memory.
- But our ancestors apparently witnessed these features newly formed from a destroyed previous landscape.
- It's hard to contemplate lightning powerful enough to cut out and remove billions of tons of sedimentary deposits.
- But Earth bears witness to catastrophic events in the not so remote past.
- Some geologists question the slow-motion theories that dominate science today.
- It's been seent that comet fragments collided with Jupiter, vast ionized plumes erupted from its moon Io and Earth volcanoes shoot lightning.
- So it's reasonable to consider theories of fast acting forces of change.

Magnetic Questions [Magnetars]
Apr 07, 2011
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... stions.htm
- Astronomers recently discovered a star emitting bursts of X-ray and gamma-ray radiation: a magnetar.
- Sporadic bursts of the radiation were superimposed on a regular X-ray oscillation of 9.1 seconds.
- After the bursts, the radiation intensity decreased, but the oscillation period did not.
- The the period is thought to be caused by the star’s rotation.
- But a burst of radiation and particles should carry rotational energy away and slow the star down.
- Since the star didn’t slow down, the magnetic field must be weaker than normal.
- But then, the source of energy to power the bursts and persistent X-ray emission is unknown.
- Astronomers imagine a wound up internal magnetic field with lines that unwind at the surface and heat or accelerate particles.
- Imaginary lines, like iron filings, help in visualizing the magnetic field around a magnet, but they're misunderstood.
- They obscure the origin of the field, which is an electric current.
- Electricity opens answers to the possibility of lab-testable explanations.
- X-ray oscillations can be generated with the electrical properties of inductance, capacitance, and resistance found in ordinary stellar plasma.
- X-ray and gamma-ray bursts can be generated from exploding double layers in a plasma discharge.
- The “particles” that are heated and accelerated can be understood simply as charge carriers in a star-sized Birkeland current.
[ And the period of oscillation isn't connected to the star's rotation.]

[601L1n9FR09]

There is madness in your method. In this forum I find it difficult to find a place to start. My dear departed father once told me "when you don't know where to start just go ahead and start anywhere." I will go ahead and start at the beginning with this one caveat. Start a fresh thread with each of your observations, my head is spinning. They are all good, perhaps too good.
I do not see gravity in any sort of orthodox perception. I think time/space lacking matter (call it zero point energy if you like) is gravity. Well, not quite but it provides the energy that we perceive as gravity. As I see it the interference of this energy (provided exclusively by what we currently call matter) is gravity. This energy (and I do prefer to call it zero point energy) is a push. There are no pulls. An atom suspended in space I would define as matter, and let us just assume it is a hydrogen atom, is being pushed from all sides equally by ZPE. So far this is the only atom in existence. Suddenly (for no apparent reason) there appears another atom and for argument's sake it too is a hydrogen atom. These two atoms thus comply with the definition of matter. In my hypothesis these two can now interfere with the ZPE. No matter how far apart they are, the ZPE pushing from all directions are only interfered with by each other. To simplify, this let us just say they are one meter apart but in actuality the distance is conceivably infinity minus one if you get my drift. The line joining the two now represent a mutual area of diminished ZPE energy. As both atoms are being pushed from every direction but the one separating them they will be pushed together. Only matter interferes with ZPE. Now it can be argued that a neutron constitutes matter or better yet a proton. After all is a neutron just a proton with an electron stuck on it? No matter, (pun intended) if it is matter it interferes with ZPE and we have decided that protons have mass no? Two hydrogen atoms having no charge or two neutrons, hell theoretical nuclear physics being what it is we only need two neutral particles as long as they have mass. ZPE will drive them together due to the deficiency of the ZPE between them. The electrons are superfluous at this point as we have not determined if they have mass, at least not to my satisfaction. Electricity and magnetics are not in the picture so far any way. If I am right, gravity is just the decidedly weak force we have all tended to agree it is and separate from electromagnetic forces. Matter seems to be mutually attractive due to the interference it provides to the ZPE. In regards to dimensions which I have not as yet read in your posts, time being the fourth if time/space lacking matter has no energy would time transpire in vacuum? No matter (again pun intended) there is energy in vacuum even at absolute zero, my money is on it being the transpiring of time. As you can see I tend to think I have a lot to say and your post is so intriguing. I will try to keep up with it and maybe address other Pic Of The Day comments you are making. keep up the good work!

Jay

[Lloyd]

* Thanks, Jay. I don't know how long I'll be able to continue to summarize the TPODs. I may have to be more selective soon, when I get back to New Hampshire, and just summarize the ones that most interest me or something like that.
* I started a short thread on Dimensions at http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=4416, as I recently learned that there seem to be 2 kinds of dimensions, basic physical dimensions and derived dimensions. There are also math dimensions, I think, but I wasn't talking about those. Length, Time and Mass are basic dimensions so far, but Velocity, Force etc are derived from basic dimensions, either as products or ratios.
* I agree that a pulling force doesn't seem to make sense; only pushing forces do. Your idea about gravity being a push on neutral particles is plausible, though it may involve more than that, I think. Tom van Flandern had a similar view. He said, if two neutral particles are near each other, surrounding particles that are moving randomly will tend to push them together, because they'll be bombarded by particles from every direction, except between the two.
* ZPE is discussed briefly here: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 284#p48299.
* Someone had the theory that charged particle motions also involve a pushing force, instead of pulling, but I can't remember who it was. Steven Rado has a similar view, but I think there was someone who explained it in more detail than Rado did. Maybe it was Santilli, whom I discussed on the Hadronic Mechanics thread at http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=8&t=3558.
* The theory of the microcosm that seems to be the most well-reasoned and detailed that I know of is that of Russian scientist, P. Kanarev. I showed quite a bit of his ideas, along with explanatory images, on the NPA thread at http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... 157#p50026. It seems that he was in agreement with Zero-Point Energy, but I'm not positive. He showed that it's very likely that the aether has mass, and photons & electrons have mass. I don't know if he says whether the aether has other dimensions besides mass, but photons have electric and magnetic fields, like hadrons do. That link has a lot of interesting details mentioned.
* I have another thread, called Most Interesting Findings, at http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=4421. I've posted a number of brief reports there. So far, what I've reported on are some of what I consider the best threads on this forum. I may do some reporting on findings from offsite before long, but I don't have specific plans on that. Also, so far, no one else has done any similar kind of reporting on that thread. Maybe I need to do some begging or something.

[601L1n9FR09]

Lloyde said▼
Rainmaker
Jan 17, 2010
- ... United Arab Emirates successfully caused rain to fall by making use of negative ion generators.
? [Where can we buy these generators, or plans for building them, for our deserts?]
- Scientists installed a network of interconnected conductors in the desert that release clouds of negatively charged ions.
- As the particles rise in the hot air, they attract water vapor in the atmosphere, since water is a dipolar molecule with both positive and negative poles.
- ... ions [instead of ... neutral dust motes] attract water in the atmosphere ... building up raindrops through a process of condensation.
- The dust hanging in the air becomes charged, making it more attractive to water vapor.
- ... Earth ... holds an electric field at its surface of 50 – 200 volts per meter.
- ... in September of 2006 [it] was confirmed [that]: Earth weather is electrically connected to the ionosphere.
- Since electricity always flows in a circuit, if the ionosphere connects to Earth's magnetosphere, then it connects to the circuits of the Solar System as well, [which may control] Earth's climate....
- ... all weather may be influenced by the electrical connection between Earth and solar plasma.

Have you ever seen the experiment where you run a comb through your hair and put it near the water running out of a tap? The few electrons on the comb (or are they missing from the comb?) anyway make the stream of liquid water in full free-fall move away from the normal path and not so subtly either. I have been trying to imagine what effect electrical charges have on water vapor suspended in the atmosphere and how the water vapor might in turn effect the the air. I am increasingly convinced the electricity makes the storm and not the other way around.
Is nitrogen dipolar? Any how it is nice to know if I am crazy at least I am in good company.
Man there are a lot of posts to read here(><)!!

[601L1n9FR09]

Okay, I read the rest of this and have only one thing possibly worth mentioning. There is something called quantized red shift that is not consistent with Doppler effect and thereby expanding universe. I am trying to remember if I read that here or on Setterfields' site. Either way their site is worth a look, now that I mentioned it. Now maybe I can get some sleep.

[Shrike]

There is madness in your method. In this forum I find it difficult to find a place to start. My dear departed father once told me "when you don't know where to start just go ahead and start anywhere." I will go ahead and start at the beginning with this one caveat. Start a fresh thread with each of your observations, my head is spinning. They are all good, perhaps too good.
I do not see gravity in any sort of orthodox perception. I think time/space lacking matter (call it zero point energy if you like) is gravity. Well, not quite but it provides the energy that we perceive as gravity. As I see it the interference of this energy (provided exclusively by what we currently call matter) is gravity. This energy (and I do prefer to call it zero point energy) is a push. There are no pulls. An atom suspended in space I would define as matter, and let us just assume it is a hydrogen atom, is being pushed from all sides equally by ZPE. So far this is the only atom in existence. Suddenly (for no apparent reason) there appears another atom and for argument's sake it too is a hydrogen atom. These two atoms thus comply with the definition of matter. In my hypothesis these two can now interfere with the ZPE. No matter how far apart they are, the ZPE pushing from all directions are only interfered with by each other. To simplify, this let us just say they are one meter apart but in actuality the distance is conceivably infinity minus one if you get my drift. The line joining the two now represent a mutual area of diminished ZPE energy. As both atoms are being pushed from every direction but the one separating them they will be pushed together. Only matter interferes with ZPE. Now it can be argued that a neutron constitutes matter or better yet a proton. After all is a neutron just a proton with an electron stuck on it? No matter, (pun intended) if it is matter it interferes with ZPE and we have decided that protons have mass no? Two hydrogen atoms having no charge or two neutrons, hell theoretical nuclear physics being what it is we only need two neutral particles as long as they have mass. ZPE will drive them together due to the deficiency of the ZPE between them. The electrons are superfluous at this point as we have not determined if they have mass, at least not to my satisfaction. Electricity and magnetics are not in the picture so far any way. If I am right, gravity is just the decidedly weak force we have all tended to agree it is and separate from electromagnetic forces. Matter seems to be mutually attractive due to the interference it provides to the ZPE. In regards to dimensions which I have not as yet read in your posts, time being the fourth if time/space lacking matter has no energy would time transpire in vacuum? No matter (again pun intended) there is energy in vacuum even at absolute zero, my money is on it being the transpiring of time. As you can see I tend to think I have a lot to say and your post is so intriguing. I will try to keep up with it and maybe address other Pic Of The Day comments you are making. keep up the good work!

Jay

I read your post twice to actually see what you trying to say but the way you stated it then all matter (no pun in tended) should be pushed together by now ...
And if Electricity and magnetics are not in the picture then what is the helio sphere doing here in which we all live, it extends so far beyond the sun, if they (Electricity and magnetics) didn;t come into play it sure does have quite an impact for such a tiny sun.
Im not saying gravity has no role merely that electricity and magnetics have quite more of a role as mean stream does admit

[Lloyd]

Jay 601... said: Have you ever seen the experiment where you run a comb through your hair and put it near the water running out of a tap? The few electrons on the comb (or are they missing from the comb?) anyway make the stream of liquid water in full free-fall move away from the normal path and not so subtly either. I have been trying to imagine what effect electrical charges have on water vapor suspended in the atmosphere and how the water vapor might in turn effect the the air. I am increasingly convinced the electricity makes the storm and not the other way around.

* There are several TPODs that address that issue somewhat at http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Weather.

Is nitrogen dipolar?

* Kanarev discussed Nitrogen atoms here, but not molecules. The N atoms don't seem to be particularly dipolar and the N2 molecules probably aren't any more so.
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy ... /0908.html
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy ... age003.gif

Six neutrons arranged in one plane have six free magnetic poles directed to the centre of circumference, which they form (Fig. 27, a). As each neutron has four magnetic poles in one plane, the seventh neutron occupies free space in the centre, and the seventh proton is connected to it from above (Fig. 27, a).

There is something called quantized red shift that is not consistent with Doppler effect and thereby expanding universe. I am trying to remember if I read that here or on Setterfields' site. Either way their site is worth a look

* Here's one of his webpages: http://www.setterfield.org/000docs/Astr ... tm#doppler
* He's been discussed on this site a few times: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=e ... 2b8adea15a
* Some of our members may be in touch with him.

[601L1n9FR09]

Thanx Shike,
We agree the way I put things is not the most concise. Also that as I wrote it, everything would be pushed together by now and that gravity is an extremely weak force. The electricity and magnetics certainly have a much larger roll. I was just leaving them out for simplicity at least I was trying to do that. The outta the box part that will really get me snickered at is that I think (being a push) given enough of it between matter it might push them apart. After you stop rolling on the floor, other forces trump gravity. In my model gravity is the interference of ZPE and "dark energy" by matter. If there is for example a limit to how small a measurement can be and still retain locality should there not be a limit to how large one can be? Anyhow I dreamed all that up as a kid and can't seem to let go of it. I did not have ZPE or dark matter to consider way back but the basic idea was there as far back as I can remember. I have read a lot about Planke Particle Pairs and such and really don't need to define the quantum aspects of all this. I sometimes wonder if quantum mechanics has any validity at all. I think it is nice that people respond to my drivel to keep me thinking things through. The laughing thing, I am not accusing you or anyone else of laughing at me. I am simply stating I wouldn't blame you if you were. In as much as I am about as uneducated as one can be I hope those reading this can at least get a chuckle out of it for their time and trouble. I mean I would hate to be wasting any ones time, ya know?

Peace
Jay

[601L1n9FR09]

Lloyd,
Either I am not crazy, or these guys are.
POD electric clouds should be made into a rock opera!
Thanx. I gotta paste these back into my reader so I can sprawl.

Jay