Kinetic energy powers life.

[upriver]

"The smallest voltmeter in the world has produced a shocking revelation: Lurking deep inside an ordinary cell are electric fields strong enough to cause a bolt of lightning."
That is measured.

We know that electric fields impart kinetic energy to charges.

Simply put, we use electricity to move kinetic energy around. Its the movement of the particle that does the work not the charge or spin or mass, even though I think you could tap spin which is just a magnetic expression of kinetic energy.

"Kinetic energy requires mass to express itself.
Its like gas for an auto that requires an engine to express itself as velocity. Its not part of the auto but its something you add to it. It requires both components."

The field imparts kinetic energy to ions and electrons in the cell causing motion. The initial separation of charges could come when a neutral absorbs a little too much kinetic energy and emits an electron.

The kinetic energy field that is below matter interacts with matter via the electric field(not virtual photons).

Life is driven by energy absorbed from the kinetic field via the electric field. What is the Kinetic field? You can call it what you want but I am not going to name it.

He who is not to be named. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort

[seasmith]

kinetic energy to charges... not the charge or spin or mass..."Kinetic energy requires mass to express... separation of charges...What is the Kinetic field ? ...

Upriver, Before you get to the "kinetic field" mate, what is "kinetic energy" again ?

[upriver]

kinetic energy to charges... not the charge or spin or mass..."Kinetic energy requires mass to express... separation of charges...What is the Kinetic field ? ...

Upriver, Before you get to the "kinetic field" mate, what is "kinetic energy" again ?

Wiki.....
"In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy that it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

Its the energy of motion....

[seasmith]

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Wiki then defines "work" as a force multiplied by distance.
So the energy of motion is the motion of a force.

Upriver wrote:
Simply put, we use electricity to move kinetic energy around. Its the movement of the particle that does the work not the charge or spin or mass ...

I agree about the electricity, and have long proposed electricity as central mediator and common denominator of the primary Gravity, Mass, Light, Aether physical quadrature.

In your model, what is the composition of its "particle", that does the moving ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

[upriver]

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Wiki then defines "work" as a force multiplied by distance.
So the energy of motion is the motion of a force.

Upriver wrote:
Simply put, we use electricity to move kinetic energy around. Its the movement of the particle that does the work not the charge or spin or mass ...

I agree about the electricity, and have long proposed electricity as central mediator and common denominator of the primary Gravity, Mass, Light, Aether physical quadrature.

In your model, what is the composition of its "particle", that does the moving ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

Electricity is a means to an end, which is moving kinetic energy around.

Force is the expenditure of energy. F = ma.... Acceleration is kinetic energy....

This isnt my model. These are observations. What a "kinetic energy" is I have no idea.
But it is imparted to charged particles by a field and it does do work. It is something that is transferred from particle to particle so I believe it is not intrinsic to particles but comes from what a field does.


Brant

[upriver]

Maybe I should have titled thread "How electricity does work".....

[StefanR]

Hi Upriver, just some questions that popped up:

We know that electric fields impart kinetic energy to charges.

If kinetic energy is the level of activity in something, because it has acquired something called
"motion". This "motion" seems to be something that was not there in that thing before in its
"groundstate" (although I would ask myself to find me something material at perfect
"rest"), but is there now in the thing's actuality. But if the motion was there not of itself
but in the field as potentiality.

Its the movement of the particle that does the work not the charge or spin or mass, even though I think you could tap spin which is just a magnetic expression of kinetic energy.

But it seems to me that from the 'wiki':

It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity.

So it seems to me that it is the field that is doing the work, and the "body" is being worked upon.
But is the motion in the body or is the body in motion?

Kinetic energy requires mass to express itself.

It seems to me rather that kinetic energy is just a descriptive state of a thing "possessing"
an "amount" of motion expressed in material things. But the motion, as in the charge, was already
present in the field. It seems to me the field had a power to move, or the ability to convey motion.
But are there other kinds of motion not in matter?

The kinetic energy field that is below matter interacts with matter via the electric field(not virtual photons).

There seems to me no need of a field of kinetic energy, as it is a description of "motion" in activity of a "body".
It is that "external" "translative" "motion" that is added to its internal motion, by the powerful ability of the field.
But what is that matter that you speak of there? Does matter always receive motion? Or has it motion of itself?
Is the field material? How does it hold the motion in it? How did it get in the field potentially? Or is that just
what the field is?

Life is driven by energy absorbed from the kinetic field via the electric field.

What is that Life that is driven and absorbing motion? Does it acquire motion in that way or does it dissipate it?
How does motion differ between life things and things not alive? Or is motion a attribute/quality of life?
Is life material?

Cheers,

Stefan

[upriver]

Hi Upriver, just some questions that popped up:

We know that electric fields impart kinetic energy to charges.

If kinetic energy is the level of activity in something, because it has acquired something called
"motion". This "motion" seems to be something that was not there in that thing before in its
"groundstate" (although I would ask myself to find me something material at perfect
"rest"), but is there now in the thing's actuality. But if the motion was there not of itself
but in the field as potentiality.

Its the movement of the particle that does the work not the charge or spin or mass, even though I think you could tap spin which is just a magnetic expression of kinetic energy.

But it seems to me that from the 'wiki':

It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity.

So it seems to me that it is the field that is doing the work, and the "body" is being worked upon.
But is the motion in the body or is the body in motion?

Kinetic energy requires mass to express itself.

It seems to me rather that kinetic energy is just a descriptive state of a thing "possessing"
an "amount" of motion expressed in material things. But the motion, as in the charge, was already
present in the field. It seems to me the field had a power to move, or the ability to convey motion.
But are there other kinds of motion not in matter?

The kinetic energy field that is below matter interacts with matter via the electric field(not virtual photons).

There seems to me no need of a field of kinetic energy, as it is a description of "motion" in activity of a "body".
It is that "external" "translative" "motion" that is added to its internal motion, by the powerful ability of the field.
But what is that matter that you speak of there? Does matter always receive motion? Or has it motion of itself?
Is the field material? How does it hold the motion in it? How did it get in the field potentially? Or is that just
what the field is?

Life is driven by energy absorbed from the kinetic field via the electric field.

What is that Life that is driven and absorbing motion? Does it acquire motion in that way or does it dissipate it?
How does motion differ between life things and things not alive? Or is motion a attribute/quality of life?
Is life material?

Cheers,

Stefan

Ok, lets simplify even more. Work is the exchange or transfer of energy.

Wiki.....
"Work (thermodynamics), for example, electric power transmission is a (non-mechanical) thermodynamic work process that can transfer energy from a power generation station to your home, where a pump can use it to perform mechanical work on water to lift it out of your basement.
Mass transfer, processes in which material moves from one system to the other, carrying its energy with it

Note that these mechanisms or modes refer to the kind of transfer or process acting on the energy, not the kinds (or forms, types, etc.) of energy that's being transferred. The increase or decrease in energy of each system can be in any of several forms of energy.""

So its the transfer of energy from the field to the particle.

Gravity is typically not though of as doing work but it does transfer energy to the object it is acting on.
Heres a funny one.... Typically F = ma... But you can apply a force without acceleration like leaning on a wall. Either gravity is pulling you down or you could be pushing on the wall but you are still transferring energy.

Every interaction is an energy exchange. I am saying its the energy of motion. Kinetic energy.

As far as life goes I believe like Rupert Sheldrake that consciousness is in the field. In his case he calls it the morphogenic field.

To use the car analogy again. A car is not thought of as alive because it has a driver and can move. The driver is alive but the car is an expression of kinetic energy when the driver says go. Same thing with the human body. The kinetic energy from the field in the cells causes the processes that support the animation of the body.
It is alive but not consciousnesses because consciousness resides with the driver in the field.

[StefanR]

So in a sense there are these things:

Particle/Body - this/these are accompanied by physical fields (electromagnetic/gravity/etc/ and perhaps your "kinetic")
Life - ....
Consciousness - this is accompanied by an morphogenetic field

Is then a kind of "life-field" needed for your idea?

[Rossim]

This is all been researched by Dr. Gerald Pollack many years ago, concerning interfacial water in contact with hydrophilic surfaces.

[upriver]

This is all been researched by Dr. Gerald Pollack many years ago, concerning interfacial water in contact with hydrophilic surfaces.

This actually brings up a good question that I have been pondering for years. If you put something out in the middle of interstellar space away from all "light or energy sources", does it fall apart or run down?

Yes, I know of Dr Pollacks work. Amazing stuff.

So where Dr Pollacks work, and he may be working on this as we speak, leaves off I have grafted on Dr Correas work on exactly what component of solar radiant energy is responsible for the work being done. The kinetic energy delivered by a photon is just a different delivery(for neutrals) method than that delivered by (the) field to charged or magnetic particles.


"AS2-01 Addendum, concerning the pendulum formula as applied to the work performed against gravity by the electroscopic leaf"
"But while all these hidden variables can only accelerate the electroscopic spontaneous discharge rate, the fifth hidden variable, which alone stands in the second group, proved to be of solar origin and to have precisely the opposite effect, in that it arrests the discharge, or tends towards its arrest. Only this nonlocal variable therefore could account for the power of the local medium to regenerate the kinetic energy which charge spends in performing work against gravity when trapped in a conductor subject, in turn, to electrostatic repulsion. Essentially, the kinetoregenerative power of the local medium is in turn replenished by this component of solar radiation. However, we could not, in the context of the present investigation, determine the nature of this nonelectric and nonionizing derivative of solar energy driving the power of the local medium to regenerate the kinetic energy of trapped charge. In atmospheric electroscopes, it correlates with the temperature variation of the solar heating of the earth's atmosphere - raising the possibility that this nonlocal variable might consist of the continuum blackbody thermal radiation emitted by the sun, or part of it (radio, IR, visible or nonionizing UV).

To integrate our findings, we propose a novel foundation for a comprehensive theory of the electric and nonelectric energy functions of the electroscope, and further perform some critical tests of the effect of electric fields upon the electroscope, employing a negative ion generator for this purpose."

Here is the addendum with an interesting experiment concerning electroscopes that backs up their original experiment.
http://www.aetherometry.com/publication ... dendum.pdf
Original.
http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_ ... -AS2v1.php

The Kinetic energy powers life idea is not exactly mine, I have just synthesized a simple version out of the work of some brilliant people. And its all observational evidence.

The variable that they are talking about eventually turns out to be kinetic energy in of itself.

Interestingly enough this same "energy" was researched back in the 1800's by the instruments that were available at the time if we are to believe the 6000 notebook pages and wealth of Baron Karl von Reichenbach.


Von Reichenbach
"This experimental arrangement was prepared and conducted thousands of times with hundreds of different sensitives. Always the same results were achieved. Sensitives experientially corroborated each of these findings with great accuracy. No device, no measuring instrument could achieve an equivalent energetic detection. In this first simple demonstration, a world of new forces and their interaction with matter was being revealed.

Asking each of his separate subjects to describe the currents, which they painfully could feel while holding the wire braid, each independently offered identical statements. The contact seemed "hot ... irritating ... uncomfortable". But this was just what they reported that direct moonlight produced! Since the very same effects could be communicated through a wire braid, the energy had little to do with the light at all. It was obvious that a special energy, radiating from the moon, was merely conducted along light rays. Now he had to isolate and understand this species of energy with a determined effort.

He attempted measuring the electrical charge condition of the discharges. The most sensitive electroscopes showed absolutely no deflections when connected to the braid. This was therefore not an electrostatic manifestation, which had been overlooked by scientists of the seventeenth century. In the same manner, extremely fine compass needles were not moved by the mysterious current. The energy was therefore not magnetic in species. It was just as he had determined previously. What then was it? Would other celestial bodies produce the same kinds of effects?

The Baron performed the identical experiment with solar light. Thrusting glass rods and metal rods into an isolated solar beam, sensitives reported an anomalous "cool" sensation. They actually preferred this energetic effect to that of moonlight since it was wonderfully refreshing. Using the large glass prism, Reichenbach discovered that sunlight also possessed specific spectral components in which the mysterious energy seemed most concentrated. A suffusing and irritating "heat" was reported in red solar light. This heat provoked a "stuffy claustrophobic" feeling but no muscular spasms.

A wonderful vivifying force was discovered in the violet spectral end of solar light. Sensitives felt stronger and more alive when touching wire exposed to solar violet light. In addition, sensitives were able to discern the "violet excitations" and the "red irritations" in metal objects, which had been merely exposed to solar light for several minutes! This significant discovery opened a new door."

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"Not fully able to comprehend the entirety of Od and what it represented, Reichenbach began studying the primary attributes of Od energy. He first wished to find out the propagation speed of the Od currents in wire conductors. Metals apparently conducted the currents with special strength. Taking a large length of braided wire, the Baron asked his subjects to hold their end of the braid. In an isolated chamber, he then touched the termination to a heavy metal plate, which sat under pure sunshine. He timed the effect. When the sensitive reported the sensation, the Baron could calculate the actual conductive velocity along the braid.

Repeating this experiment several hundred times, he satisfied himself that the Od currents were extremely slow ones. Surprisingly, they traveled some 1.5 yards per second at best, saturating and creeping through the conductive lines as a vegetative flux. Od intensities grew with time, until conductor saturations were observed. Time was always required between the connective application and the sensitive perception of the energy in his subjects. Some 30 seconds was often required before any manifestation could be experienced after an initial application of light at the other end.

It was found that Od saturated matter in a fluidic manner, propagating organismically in distinct thready penetrations. Saturated objects "spilled over" with Od currents. Steel objects and given volumes of water each held their maximum Od charge for 10 minutes or more. Od was sensibly conducted along electrical insulators such as silk threads, cotton threads, glass rods of great length, wooden dowels, and long resinous strands. Also noteworthy in these regards was the way in which the energy would "load" this conductive matter, being stored for several minutes after the connective wire was removed. In some cases, the energy would remain in certain materials for up to one hour's time before leaking away! The healing Od violet energy of sunlight could be stored in Leyden Jars for a very long time. Od entered the body-interior of materials, which it traversed. This mode of propagation differed completely from electrical charging, where charges traverse the conductive surface only."
http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/odenergy.htm


As you can see many very brilliant people have elucidated many parts of the spectrum of energy that pervades our universe.
And it appears that UV part of the spectrum is where the most energy of that type is available as evidenced by the prism experiments of The Baron. Dr Pollack has done a great job of elucidating another facet of energy of the universe and shows this same time dependent effect.. The resonant frequency for energy transfer for water turns out the be in the IR as his experiments show.

If you look at a photon as a cylindrical density compression packet of kinetic energy in something, it makes sense because a photon is not really a wave. You cant really have a wave per say since it requires more energy to keep wagging the tail as opposed to a compression density packet which is just a pulse of kinetic energy traveling by its momentum alone.

Photons are always generated by particles and as such are always a cylindrical pulse of energy that is limited by the size of the electron(particle) energy. This pulse(photon) of kinetic energy goes through the medium as opposed to being the medium(OD?) as shown by the Barons experiments.

I am still working out how all the pieces fit together, it may by different tomorrow.
Anyways I digress....

Brant