Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
- Rosphere
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Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
Accepting the premise that our sun is powered externally via dark-mode Birkeland current and that stars typically form along these currents like beads on a string, has anyone ever been able to trace our Sun's current, both upstream and downstream, to identify the two stars that electrically connect to our Sun?
An interesting experiment would be to closely monitor these two stars for any sort of output variability and plot the two results against data from our Sun. We may be able to identify an energy impulse traveling along the current and use this knowledge to better predict our Sun's behavior in the future.
But it may not be that neat and clean. I have looked at three dimensional images of our local star neighborhood. I was thinking that our two closest stars would be found generally on opposite sides of our sun. But things looked more haphazard than that. Lightning does not follow a straight line, why should our local Birkeland current? In fact, as evidenced by our 'recent' planetary realignment, there may be several interacting currents jostling around locally.
Apologies if my question is answered elsewhere here on the forum: please advise.
An interesting experiment would be to closely monitor these two stars for any sort of output variability and plot the two results against data from our Sun. We may be able to identify an energy impulse traveling along the current and use this knowledge to better predict our Sun's behavior in the future.
But it may not be that neat and clean. I have looked at three dimensional images of our local star neighborhood. I was thinking that our two closest stars would be found generally on opposite sides of our sun. But things looked more haphazard than that. Lightning does not follow a straight line, why should our local Birkeland current? In fact, as evidenced by our 'recent' planetary realignment, there may be several interacting currents jostling around locally.
Apologies if my question is answered elsewhere here on the forum: please advise.
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
hi,
User Celeste refers often to the local interstellar cloud > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Interstellar_Cloud
I think it is currently the best we got, it looks that at least Sirius has a connection.
Mapping the local neighbourhood needs probes but we still have send them to investigate, the first step is to find the north and south double layers of the Sun but they are far out in space, farther then voyager is at the moment and in a completely other direction.
I dont think that looking at other local stars and measuring variability is helpful, there would be a lag time and stars differ in age and that has a direct bearing on how they behave. Although in EU it is just the current, the picture is going more towards evolving stars, something is actually happening chemically, molecules are made and stars lose mass.
Regards,
Daniel
User Celeste refers often to the local interstellar cloud > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Interstellar_Cloud
I think it is currently the best we got, it looks that at least Sirius has a connection.
Mapping the local neighbourhood needs probes but we still have send them to investigate, the first step is to find the north and south double layers of the Sun but they are far out in space, farther then voyager is at the moment and in a completely other direction.
I dont think that looking at other local stars and measuring variability is helpful, there would be a lag time and stars differ in age and that has a direct bearing on how they behave. Although in EU it is just the current, the picture is going more towards evolving stars, something is actually happening chemically, molecules are made and stars lose mass.
Regards,
Daniel
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
Thank you pointing me in the right direction, D_Archer. I like this image:
I also see a potential connection to Sirius in the overall alleged "cloud" formation pattern, (lower slight left to upper slight right,) with the indicated direction of galactic center to the right. It actually looks like a small chunk of galactic spiral arm with Sirius in the same arm as our Sun. Alpha Centauri, although closer to our Sun, may be in a separate but close approaching Birkeland filament, closer towards galactic center.
Here is an interesting link to a 3D map of local stars: (Sorry Hollywood, not maps to your stars.)
http://kisd.de/~krystian/starmap/
I want more.
I do so encourage you not to give up hope of uncovering a predictive quality to knowing and monitoring our Sun's electrically connected neighboring stars. Ben Davidson, https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/videos, Piers Corbyn, and others are making better seismic, volcanic, and weather predictions by closely watching our Sun. Closely watching our connected stars may also have some predictive quality.
I also see a potential connection to Sirius in the overall alleged "cloud" formation pattern, (lower slight left to upper slight right,) with the indicated direction of galactic center to the right. It actually looks like a small chunk of galactic spiral arm with Sirius in the same arm as our Sun. Alpha Centauri, although closer to our Sun, may be in a separate but close approaching Birkeland filament, closer towards galactic center.
Here is an interesting link to a 3D map of local stars: (Sorry Hollywood, not maps to your stars.)
http://kisd.de/~krystian/starmap/
I want more.
I do so encourage you not to give up hope of uncovering a predictive quality to knowing and monitoring our Sun's electrically connected neighboring stars. Ben Davidson, https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/videos, Piers Corbyn, and others are making better seismic, volcanic, and weather predictions by closely watching our Sun. Closely watching our connected stars may also have some predictive quality.
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
Rosphere wrote:Accepting the premise that our sun is powered externally via dark-mode Birkeland current and that stars typically form along these currents like beads on a string, has anyone ever been able to trace our Sun's current, both upstream and downstream, to identify the two stars that electrically connect to our Sun?
An interesting experiment would be to closely monitor these two stars for any sort of output variability and plot the two results against data from our Sun. We may be able to identify an energy impulse traveling along the current and use this knowledge to better predict our Sun's behavior in the future.
But it may not be that neat and clean. I have looked at three dimensional images of our local star neighborhood. I was thinking that our two closest stars would be found generally on opposite sides of our sun. But things looked more haphazard than that. Lightning does not follow a straight line, why should our local Birkeland current? In fact, as evidenced by our 'recent' planetary realignment, there may be several interacting currents jostling around locally.
Apologies if my question is answered elsewhere here on the forum: please advise.
http://spaceref.com/astronomy/large-inv ... alaxy.html
Emphasis mine."We could be looking at a flat sheet, edge on," CSIRO team member Dr. Cormac Reynolds said.
"Or we might be looking down the barrel of a hollow cylinder like a noodle, or at a spherical shell like a hazelnut."
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
Thank you, Michael.
Also from that article
I have another suggestion. Electric.
A concentration of positively charged plasma held together against the more negatively charged ambient background by a double layer.
~Paul
Also from that article
One suggestion? Gravity?So what can these lenses be? One suggestion is cold clouds of gas that stay pulled together by the force of their own gravity. That model, worked through in detail, implies the clouds must make up a substantial fraction of the mass of our galaxy.
Nobody knows how the invisible lenses could form.
I have another suggestion. Electric.
A concentration of positively charged plasma held together against the more negatively charged ambient background by a double layer.
~Paul
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
The mainstream has a whole series of euphemisms to avoid using the term "Birkeland current" with respect to plasma filaments in space. They call them a "noodle", or a "space slinky", anything to avoid the concept of describing any "current" running through the plasma. They also tend to misuse the term "hot gas" when referring to "plasma".comingfrom wrote:Thank you, Michael.
Also from that article
One suggestion? Gravity?So what can these lenses be? One suggestion is cold clouds of gas that stay pulled together by the force of their own gravity. That model, worked through in detail, implies the clouds must make up a substantial fraction of the mass of our galaxy.
Nobody knows how the invisible lenses could form.
I have another suggestion. Electric.
A concentration of positively charged plasma held together against the more negatively charged ambient background by a double layer.
~Paul
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hu ... ce-slinky/
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Re: Our Sun's Local Birkeland Map to Neighboring Stars?
Thank for that link , Michael.
It wasn't Birkeland's fault.
The slinky wasn't yet invented in his day.
(Even the noodle might not have made it's way to Norway by then yet.)

I wonder,
would they have believed Birkeland if he had said, the aurora is caused by noodles of hot gas standing in a circle around the poles like carefully positioned uncooked spaghetti, shaped by earth's magnetic field?
I think it may be a matter of;
How could someone have known (even better than us) one hundred years ago?
And we know, it is magnetic fields that causes the hot gas to form a slinky.
Black holes heat and spew the gas, and magnetic fields shape the gas.
What more is there to know?
Our explanation is complete.
We can even estimate the mass of the black hole (plus or minus a few billion Sun masses
).
~Paul
It wasn't Birkeland's fault.
The slinky wasn't yet invented in his day.
(Even the noodle might not have made it's way to Norway by then yet.)

I wonder,
would they have believed Birkeland if he had said, the aurora is caused by noodles of hot gas standing in a circle around the poles like carefully positioned uncooked spaghetti, shaped by earth's magnetic field?
I think it may be a matter of;
How could someone have known (even better than us) one hundred years ago?
And we know, it is magnetic fields that causes the hot gas to form a slinky.
Black holes heat and spew the gas, and magnetic fields shape the gas.
What more is there to know?
Our explanation is complete.
We can even estimate the mass of the black hole (plus or minus a few billion Sun masses
~Paul
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