Spiraling light phenomen in Norway

[Anaconda]

If this was a rocket, I'd be looking for evidence of small hot, broken, pieces coming off of it, at least at some point during flight.

So, far, the images don't show any of the above.

The vapor trail in the sunset shot does appear it could have been from a rocket, but does that eliminate other possibilities?

It would be helpful if there was an estimate of the phenomenon's altitude.

It seems too smooth to be an out of control rocket.

I got a question: Could it have been a rocket under control which was designed to execute what was observed over Norway?

[Jeff99]

I am not 100% against the idea that it is possible.... It just really does not look like a missile malfunction to me at all.

It looks alot more like something we here on this board are pretty familiar with...

I agree, it is uncannily similar to many of the ancient drawings of spirals. As I posted above.
Here’s a new twist… (pun intended), this link has a movie and pics of the comet Hale-Bopp throwing off a visible moving spiral.
http://www.georgehoward.net/htmlfiles/c ... nt_art.htm

[junglelord]

I am with the rest of you, dispite my post from Nasa Space Weather, the misfired rocket, does not explain the event. I am not buying the rocket theory either.

I think its a Scalar event, man made. Tesla technology being implimented...Tesla's Scalar Ray in action?
It appeared to be a standing wave, thats one impression I get. Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, was a Phase Conjugate Pump System.

This image of the galaxy is a Phase Conjugate Pump, shows a four wave non linear holographic grating system.


Does this not look like the same? That the question being asked and I say yes and I believe its a Phase Conjugate Pump EM Scalar technology in action.
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[StefanR]

Russia's new nuclear-capable missile suffered another failed test launch, the defence ministry said Thursday, solving the mystery of a spectacular plume of white light that appeared over Norway.

The Bulava missile was test-fired from the submarine Dmitry Donskoi in the White Sea early Wednesday but failed at the third stage, the defence ministry said in a statement.

The pre-dawn morning launch coincided with the appearance of an extraordinary light over northern Norway that captivated observers.

Images of the light that appeared in the sky above the Norwegian city of Tromso and elsewhere prompted explanations ranging from a meteor, northern lights, a failed missile or even a UFO.

http://www.physorg.com/news179671318.html

Ok, OK, it is not a rocket. It's a missile.

[tayga]

That saying "When you're holding a hammer everything looks like a nail" is pretty appropriate here.

I'd be careful about leaping to any conclusion that involves plasma phenomena. The rocket/missile theory is a good mechanical explanation for this event.

[StefanR]

Indeed Tayga, and to hammer it home, once more the lift off stage:


http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.6902336

[slug]

Seeing that trail close up of the horizon looks alot to me like a phenomenon i saw during the daylight twice about a week apart back in 2004 north of my house here in New Zealand. I watched it slowly tracking across the sky and changed direction several times - I witnessed nothing else illuminated above it in the light sky but the bit i did see looks alot like that lower zoomed in shot. I have a short video of this phenomenon from one of the two occasions I will try and dig up the Hi8 tape. It may or may not be related, but i remember at the time i tried to explain it away to myself as re-entering space junk, but seeing this ground portion of this Norway event I am now questioning myself, as this is showing me a possible mechanism that would seem to fit alot better than my ill fitting spacejunk theory which i had never really convinced myself of but I had heard not other news about these events at the time. I mentioned this Norway event to my lady last night and my thoughts of possible connection to the event we saw and she has showed me a couple of photos she took on a day I wasnt home from the same period in April 2004 with some strange three circle triangle hanging in the same part of the sky where we had seen the other phenomena. I dont have these photos hosted anywhere - can i just submit them directly to this site? Id never seen them before its a freaky triangle thing for sure.

From the comments it sounds like people are a bit stunned at the possibility this might be a real plasma event caught by many witnesses. I can understand everyones desire to be cautious but until i see better evidence to the contrary personally i think that is a genuine electrically illuminated event. The idea that is is someone testing technology, and that the naughty russians are explaining it away as a rocket test is interesting, but i think if this is a genuine natural event then people that dont believe in EU will have no other option but to think it is a rocket anyway, as there is no other forces in their mindset that could possibly create such a display in the sky. Naturally then we should expect rocket based explanations will just be part of the newsfeed to satisfy peoples curiosity here in the spaceage. A couple of hundred years ago it might have been blamed on some poor witches, and before that probably a copy painted on to some cave wall for posterity....

I hope we are soon more illuminated (ahem) about this thing.

[Siggy_G]

This is getting confusing. I'm not convinced about the rocket explanation. Not saying it's entirely non-plausible, but:

- the rocket didn't appear to be detonated, as some hypothize. The effect just stopped.
- no piece seems to have been falling off during the event, as some hypothize.
- the entire spiral/trail is rotating like a vortex - has anyone seen the same effect from rocket/missile trails?
- the trail along the horizon is very uneven. A missile would likely leave more of a continous curved trail .
- the spiraling is extremely accurate and continuos, and doesn't appear to be a malfunction
- the Russian North fleet denied that any ballistic missile had been launched, and said that they were obliged to inform internationally about such launches
- a representative from the North Norwegian military hadn't heard about any launch the same morning
- the later confirmation about a Russian missile was a public statement from the Norwegian defence ministre
- it would be interesting to dig up a confirmation from a Russian news site, if there are any Russian speaking persons in this forum.

[solrey]

This alleged failed rocket apparently had a high pressure fuel (probably the oxidizer) leak, which could induce spin and leave a trail of ionized gas. This trail of ionized gas could be a conductive path for a glow mode discharge, similar to the corkscrew pattern made by electrons injected into the ionosphere during an experiment mentioned previously. This did take place within the auroral zone. While the grey spiral pattern may just be the result of backlighting by the sun just below the horizon, the blue column could be ionized gas in glow mode. I read a report that said the blue column persisted for a long time, something like 2 hours if I remember correctly. So my conclusion is that it was a plasma phenomena triggered by the conditions created by the failed rocket, or some other trigger if the rocket story turns out to be bogus

[Jeff99]

I understand the need for caution at attributing any unknown phenomena to the esoteric idea of a plasma phenomena. I believe a degree of skepticism is always good towards all things. But I would suggest that people also apply that same skepticism towards any “official” explanation of the phenomena. There actually is quite a lot of reasons why officialdom might desire to offer a plausible mechanical explanation for this and to do it quickly before it invokes more inquiry into other possible explainations.

Ok, so they said there was a missile test… that explains it, end of story. Go back to your tv shows, nothing to see here, nothing to wonder about.
For the reason mentioned above, by myself and others, I highly doubt, but do not dismiss, the missile test theory.

[The Great Dog]

The Great Dog sees more evidence for why conspiracy theories proliferate. It seems to be the nature of primate minds to prefer their imaginations. Tayga and StephnR appear to be clear-headed, but there are several examples of muddled reasoning here.

The boost phase image of the rocket is similar to those The Great Dog witnessed when his pack was living in Ventura, CA. Many test firings from Vandenberg AFB were conducted.





In these cases, the terminal staging event didn't malfunction...

TGD

[StefanR]

Perhaps if one is testing a intercontinental-missile, and one happens to want it to go into a certain firing/engine testing for a prolonged time, but at the same time one doesn't want it to go to far and to high to make it go on full ballistic trajectery, could it be possible to make it loose most of it's track by making it go in such way on purpose?

[Grey Cloud]

I think that the Great Dog is barking up the right tree.
Last month I was at a public Guy Fawkes night fireworks display. While the herd were busy ooh-ing and aah-ing at the pretty lights, I was watching the fireworks which went awry or malfunctioned and also the clouds of grey smoke in the sky above and beyond the pyrotechnics. Most instructive. The wonky fireworks produced effects very similar to the blue spiral in the images and the smoke produced shapes/patterns that are common throughout Nature (up to and including nebulae).

If the PTB said there was no missile/rocket, the conspiracy theorists say they lied. If the PTB say there was a missile/rocket then the same conspiracy theorists say they lied.

StefanR asked: "could it be possible to make it loose most of it's track by making it go in such way on purpose?" I would say yes. It would depend upon what question the test was designed to answer.

[StefanR]

There are more similar things, that could make it a bit more probable that it was a missile


http://www.flickr.com/photos/cocoabeachjoe/1300892840/


The Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) F-17 Block 5D-3 spacecraft was lofted into orbit from Space Launch Complex 6 (SLC-6, pronounced slick six) by a Delta-IV rocket shortly before dawn, at 5:53 AM PST on Saturday, November 4, 2006. The liquid hydrogen/liquid oxygen propellants produce water vapor exhaust. The rocket exhaust is transparent except for a condensation trail at lower altitudes.

A smaller cloud illuminated by sunlight at high altitude appears to have been the result of a staging event. The planet Saturn is visible near the left edge of the image.

The high altitude cloud faded away in a couple of minutes.
http://www.air-and-space.com/vafb.htm


Yes, Central Florida, the Delta II rocket did make it to orbit carrying a GPS satellite.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_s ... t-did.html


This image shows the aftermath of the Pegasus XL/TRACE launch. Note the rainbow-like iridescence.
http://www.spacearchive.info/vafbphoto.htm


A dusk rocket launch from Vandenberg AFB on September 22 created an impressive display that was seen across a wide area. Astronomy author and photographer Dennis Mammana took this image during the third stage burn. In addition to the third stage exhaust plume (left), the photo also shows the trail from the second stage (right) and the break in the trail from stage 2/3 separation. The Minotaur rocket successfully placed the Streak satellite into orbit for the Defense Department. Image used with permission.
http://www.spacearchive.info/news-2005-archive.htm

[jjohnson]

Wind shear is the driver of a lot of the cloud phenomena pictured above. Winds vary in speed and direction at different altitudes until you get high in the stratosphere, where they are often very calm. Such shear often distorts aircraft contrails at a slow rate because the plane's track is so slow (subsonic, usually). I have observed high acceleration launches at Vandenburg AFB from altitude, back in the day and quite by accident, near sunset, and the exhaust contrail is laid down smartly (like five minutes to the horizon, maybe two to get out of atmosphere). The contrails in this case mirror almost simultaneously what is happening wind-wise at successive altitudes. Iridescent effects are common in high water clouds above the Earth's shadow (which oxidized hydrocarbon-based contrails are composed of).

I agree with Solrey's hypothesis that a tumbling, leaky tank spraying pressurized gas or even liquid is a good possible candidate for explaining the blue spiral corkscrew, curious as that thing looks. The perfectly circular white 'galactic' spiral is rather difficult to explain for me - it looks a lot like it was projected from behind the dark hills obscuring the horizon, but projected on what? and why? Why isn't it elliptical from the perspective of the photographer(s)?

The other difficulty I have, without better knowledge of the missile test, is that it was claimed that this was a next generation submarine-launched missile. For storage safety, modern submarine-launched missiles are solid fueled. There should be no fuel or oxidizer tanks on board, unless there are very small ones for vernier control rockets, and I am not even sure of that, as steerable main nozzles are routinely used. Less to go wrong under the stress of an underwater launch sequence. This missile has had a poor success rate so far - why would the Russians be so candid about that if it is supposed to be a deterrent force? Lotsa questions but I'm not convinced that this is too important a deal. It's sure not an expensive ad for EU theory, in all likelihood.