Torus-shaped Electrons, Protons etc

[Lloyd]

* This comes from http://www.commonsensescience.org. It seems to be a simpler and more sensible model than others I've read of, including APM etc. It even involves electrical and magnetic forces. It says magnetic pinch confines the subatomic particles. And it says the tori or toruses rotate [or revolve] at the speed of light and are made of aether. Here's the model for the electron:

* Here's an introductory comment:

Spinning Charged Ring
Dave Bergman developed and published (in 1990) the Spinning Ring model of elementary particles. Charge near the surface of the thin ring rotates at the speed of light.
This was the first physical model of particles that agreed with all the experimental data. The model requires fewer assumptions than the quantum model of particles. Unlike the quantum model, the new model is a physical model, and it is free of self- contradictions.
The ring model not only accounts for characteristics of the electron but also works for the proton, positron and the antiproton (with different size, mass, etc.). A single model is successful for all known stable charged elementary particles. The charge on the ring is held in place by the magnetic pinch force which balances the strong Coulomb force.

* And here are some FAQs.

Q: Exactly what are electrons and protons made of?
A: An electron is comprised of one unit of negative electrical charge. A proton is comprised of one unit of positive electrical charge. The CSS model of these particles proposes a distinct, finite-size structure associated with the charge, in the form of a ring.
Q: What keeps an electron from expanding due to the force of its negative charge acting upon itself?
A: The ring electron appears to be stationary, but its charge is spinning, that is, the charge is flowing around the ring at the speed of light. The resulting magnetic field is stationary though, because, since the loop is closed, there is always the same amount of charge flowing at the same rate at every point around the ring. This motion of the charge creates a magnetic field that causes a “pinch effect” that holds the electron together. Because the field is stationary, or static, it does not radiate energy unless the electron's position or orientation changes.
Q: What is the radius of a spinning charged ring electron and how is it determined?
A: The radius of a free electron (one that is not close to another charged particle) is 3.87 x 10-13 meters. Based on the CSS model of the electron as a ring, the electron's size can be derived from the it’s magnetic moment using a simple formula for magnetic moments. The geometry of the ring then allows us to easily calculate the free electron's radius based on its measured magnetic moment (a well known and commonly accepted value).
Q: How can an electron fit inside the nucleus of an atom, since the nucleus is much smaller than the size of a free electron?
A: The size of an electron depends on where it is and what forces are acting on it. When an electron comes close to other particles, the electromagnetic fields from these particles are strong enough to compress the electron. The CSS model of elementary particles provides a means to calculate the forces on the electron and it's resulting size.

* See Spinning Charged Ring Model of Electron Yielding Anomalous Magnetic Moment for math details at http://www.nanoworld.org.ru/data/200411 ... ectron.pdf

[Lloyd]

* Here's a Hydrogen atom:

* The small rings are protons; the larger rings are electrons. The gray circle is imaginary. Free electrons are larger, but magnetic fields cause them to shrink, I think.
* For an Oxygen nucleus they show the neutrons as electron-proton pairs with an extra proton for each electron. I guess the other 8 electrons surround the nucleus, if they exist at all.

[webolife]

Lloyd,
I think your hydrogen image must be an H2 molecule, rather than atom?
I took the survey on their website and am intrigued by Charles Lucas' claims. I am not an expert by any means, but this is definitely a good avenue for examining some the issues being addressed in EU.
It is interesting that you spun this off the RASmith thread... the claims being made for the CSS theory are very similar to Smith's claims in his punctual theory. The somewhat 2-D view of rings of field compressed matter has some similarities. That charge is a function of geometry fits Smith. I will have to spend more time reading the articles to understand it better.

[kevin]

Lloyd,
As We are down in the depths of mad ideas.
I can see the truth in Your post, but I also see something way way out there.
All is one, a solid crystal like substance where all that We think of as seperate creation is nothing more than collections and compounds of what is in Your post.
All is as appears, but is all occuring not in a vacuum of empty nothing, but exactly the opposite of a sea of super density.
The electrical component been scalar down and up to whatever infinity is.
The geometry is fibonacci based, the maths is same.
The result is what is, but all occuring in a solid that allows all dimensions and times to be present at once.
The solid supports instant electrical connections at all levels.
I know it's bizzare, but I am a simple man that see's it, interacts with it, recognises it, accepts I am just a unique collection of zillions of such points all remembering how they are arranged as long as the required inflows in duality are there.
The more dense any element is, the nearer it is going towards the actual substance it is arranged within, the nearer the geometry of any element is to the solid the better conducter it will be, the solid is liquid gold.
kevin

[Lloyd]

* Hydrogen Molecule
* Yes, that's what I meant to say, not Atom. I wasn't paying close attention.
* I said the particles consist of aether, according to this theory, but I actually think myself that everything consists of consciousness ultimately, but that requires more involved elaboration, I think.

[junglelord]

I said the particles consist of aether, according to this theory, but I actually think myself that everything consists of consciousness ultimately, but that requires more involved elaboration, I think.

Not really Lloyd. No big elaborate thinking.
The conscious field is a real field.
There is an information field, which is charge and magnatism.
That is not the same as the knowledge field (edgar cayce akashic records).
The conscious field is seperate from those two fields of information and knowledge.
I think it takes a three field overlap.
A informational field overlaped by a conscious field can access the knowledge field creating synethesia realites of higher order where the download is complete. The knowledge field is similar to the gut instinct....you just know.
Also psychedelic experiences allow for this universal knowledge to be downloaded. DMT is part of the link.
Thats my take on it.

Pertaining to this theory.
Its lacking ES as fundamental.
If the Z Pinch ES Impulse is not fundamental, then as a EU proponent, I do not know what is.
Its APM without ES....a EM toroid lacking a ES Sphere.

I cannot for the life of me understand how any of you can enjoy a theory that does not make ES Fundamental.
Lightning is a ES Z pinch. Lighning is also a scalar.
Tesla determined this and dropped EM study.
He constructed his greatest device, the impulse magnifying transmitter, a ES Z Pinch star machine.
Thats how he rode the Scalar Wave...in ES Impulse mode.
That is the fundamental form of charge.
That is why only longitudinal waves travel in a vacuum...they are fundamental.
They are created by ES impulses, they are not created by EM.
Is any of this sinking in?
You all want a EU but give no authority to the holy grail of the Z pinch?
By that I mean making it fundamental and sticking to that train of thought.
This is what drives Tesla, Dollard, Thomson, and myself.
One day you will all wake up and think, how the "F" could I have thought that retarded?
I say your all brainwashed. I am still scrubbing you dudes into hyperspace.

The modern Z pinch is a magneto-dielectric event, even if they do not know it.
Pay attention to Tesla and Dollard.
Without ES and magneto-dielectic as fundamental theory, your all missing the boat on the EM only train.
Nice Toroid, but incomplete.

No Z Pinch, no ES, no full theory.
Plain and simple.

Saturn is the model, Sphere surrounded by the Toroid.

Magnets do not make the field and electrons do not make ES Charge.
The field makes the magnets and the field makes ES Charge, which makes the electrons, which makes the magnets which reveals the all prevasive RMF of the aether. EM is mass, mass is EM. But a fundamental unit must be composed of both charges. ES is not a result of electrons it makes electrons.

It is the exact opposite of what they teach, which makes it the truth in the first place.

[Lloyd]

* What's ES? Electrostatics?
* Your teachings are almost useless, because they're so vague. APM makes no sense as I explained before, one particle or whatever going forward and backward in time making it in 2 places and times at the same time, each alter-ego going in half a figure-8 pattern. It's irrational. This theory makes much more sense than yours or DT's. And it has math that seems to add up. Have you looked at the math?

[junglelord]

Ok, what I do, is take what is usefull, disregard what is not useful.
If you would just stick to the fact, that ES (Electrostatic) charge is fundamental, you can disregard anything else you please from APM...all I am saying is I got the concept of making ES fundamental from APM.
Is that easier for everyone?

The concepts I have are a conclomerate of several models.
I hope thats more clear.

I am just giving APM credit for the realization that ES must be included in ANY force model.

You can ease your mind over the aspects that "disturb" you. You do not have to champion APM to take a concept they have given us. You just take the concept and move forward. Is that so hard for everyone????

Its not for me.

I however conclude that without ES charge quantified as a fundamental force and without further research into magneto-dielectric induction, we are missing a large aspect of charge theory. For APM and Tesla and Dollard for saying that, I thank them.

What you have shown us is usefull too, so Thanks.

Now I ask you, and everyone again...can you have a EU theory on charge without ES and magneto-dielectric concepts as FUNDAMENTAL. I say NO WAY. Thats what I am trying to instill on your minds.

The Z Pinch is the fundamental result, it is a product of ES charge, not EM.
Take it from there.

Meyl explains very clearly why Tesla was right. All waves are scalar in wireless communication.
They are broken down into transverse vectors from our technology. Longtiudinal waves travel in a vacuum.
They are created by Z pinch electrostatic events from birkeland currents. It is all fundamental and a conclomerate of many great minds, I just have a nack for picking pearls and stringing them together.

I still say the Impulse Magnifying Transmitter is a Star Machine.
How come I was the first person to say that?


Because I am retarded, or a genius?
Why did everyone else miss it?
Why did I know from a picture?
Trust me if you will and consider the logic of my thoughts.
If there is a string of truth from Tesla to Birkeland, I am the one stringing it.

[Lloyd]

* What's ES? Electrostatics?
* Your teachings are almost useless, because they're so vague. APM makes no sense as I explained before, one particle or whatever going forward and backward in time making it in 2 places and times at the same time, each alter-ego going in half a figure-8 pattern. It's irrational. This theory makes much more sense than yours or DT's. And it has math that seems to add up. Have you looked at the math?

[junglelord]

Did you look at the math of APM?
All the math of APM adds up, its only algebra.
The rules of algebra are well known.
To rail against APM, then push this model with that concept, then its clear you have not read APM, but gave up due to a picture. Unless you say algebra is not kosher. Thats your choice. I think Algebra is very clear if its is done properly or not. Your passionate dislike of APM makes no logical sense based on your rebuttal.
Its ad homin attacks basicly.

Whatever dude.

[Lloyd]

* Expressing my reasons for doubting APM theory is not an attack and it's not ad hominem. Ad hominem means criticizing the person's character, instead of his/her argument. I have not assailed Thompson's character.
* I'm not that great at math. That's why I was asking folks who are better at math if the math for this model makes any more sense than that of other models. I skimmed through some of the math for APM, but it was way too complex for me. Mainly what I got out of the APM theory is the idea of the something revolving and moving forward, thus making a tubular coil shape, while going around the surface of a double sphere shape and reversing in time when reaching the top and bottom. I got the rotating magnetic field and a few other things a little, too.
* I ain't too clear on what electrostatic means, but the z-pinch as a force that confines subatomic particles is mainly what I thought EU folks would be impressed by with this model. It says the aether particle revolves around a torus shaped circuit at the speed of light, apparently producing the electric field, which I suppose produces the magnetic z-pinch. EU folks seem to say that a moving charge is or makes an electric field, so this revolving aether particle moving at light speed would seem to be a moving charge. I'm not clear on that, but charge is produced somehow there.
* Joseph George said one charge is expansion of aether, which he calls space matter, while the other charge is contraction, if I understood him.