NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:54 pm

* Jim, are you talking about images of words or diagrams or photos etc? Would you be able to post any of it here? If not, I guess it would be okay to send me a sample. Either way, thanks.
* I wonder if anyone heard Ivor this morning.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

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AS2-13 (Re-)examination of the energy radiation output by Tesla coils, Part 1:
Experimental determination of its dual nature
Correa PN, Correa AN
Exp Aetherom, Series 2, Vol. 2A, 13:1-67 (January 2002)


Experimental re-examination of the basic physical properties of the Tesla coil does not confirm the commonly held notions that it radiates "electromagnetic field energy", or that its loosely termed "electrostatic radiation field" is in any way mediated by ions formed as a consequence of the ionizing properties of the said electromagnetic radiation. Formally, we demonstrate how the Tesla coil is neither a source of ionizing photons (since it fails to discharge a positively charged electroscope, inside - or outside - of its electric or 'electrostatic' field), nor a source of HFOT or LFOT photons, including thermal ones (since it fails to trigger photoelectric cells and its diathermic effect can be shown to be an indirect one). It is also not a source of either negative or positive ions, given that it can bipolarize a doped full wave divider. Yet, its 'electrostatic field' charges most metallic (ungrounded) surfaces positively. To explore further the nature of the Tesla waves, we tested the effect of the Tesla coil output both with a proportional chamber and with a simple plate antenna connected to a radiation ratemeter: whereas, like ionizing and HFOT photons, Tesla waves triggered the proportional chamber, unlike either, and unlike any other, type of "electromagnetic radiation", Tesla waves alone were capable of triggering the ratemeter via the plate antenna, even at substantial distances.

Taken together, these results suggest that there is a complex process of conversion of energy at work in these induction coils. The pulsed input to the primary coil induces in the space of the closely coupled secondary a conversion of the local aether energy into electric form. Aether wave energy is tapped by the capacito-inductive properties of the secondary coil to yield resonant, synchronized, superimposed, but distinct 'electric' (electrocapacitative) and 'magnetic' (magnetoinductive) waves. These wave functions properly constitute the massfree radiative field energy emitted by the coil, but they also induce or assemble, within the secondary, an alternate current of massbound charges, or electrons. In turn, this alternate current of electrons in the secondary couples its own 'magnetic' field to the electrocapacitative waves of the coil, to yield a proximal field effect which is responsible for drawing valence and conduction charge from metallic bodies. Beyond the limit of this proximal massbound field effect, the radiated (distal) field of what is known as 'Tesla waves' is composed solely of the 'electric' and 'magnetic' massfree waves radiated from the coil, and is only able to draw charges from the conduction band of metallic bodies. There are therefore quite distinct field effects of Tesla coils. Unfortunately, the proximal field energy has been confusedly assimilated to a "DC or electrostatic field", just as the distal field has been confusedly assimilated to an "AC electromagnetic field". But both fields possess "AC characteristics" and their real difference stems from the fact that one is both proximal and distal, and composed of primary massfree charges, while the other is only proximal, and the effect of the secondary flux of massbound charges. All happens as if the these coils synthesized two different kinds of electric fields, one proximal and massbound, and the other massfree and responsible for all distal effects. It is the massfree electric field that serves as the conduit for the massbound electric field, since only the former exists both proximally and distally, and thus all observable distal effects are due to it - such as the observed acceleration of leakage rates in electroscopes placed at greater distances from the coil. Conversely, it is the induced massbound charge field that is responsible for the observed spontaneous positive charging of the electroscope in the proximity of the coil, but since the radiated electric energy is not an ionizing one, nor does it consist of ion emission, the observed proximal monopolar (positive) charging of metal objects depends solely on the metallic nature of the targeted bodies, not upon any supposed "DC characteristic of an electrostatic field" output by the coil. In a parallel fashion, the primary massfree charge field is no less electrical than the proximal field - and thus fully undeserving of the epithet "electromagnetic".

We can only speak of production of photons or the presence of electromagnetic energy when the primary superimposition of the two synchronous wave functions of the massfree energy field is resolved, at the surface of the metallic bodies that it is emitted from or strikes, to yield the "characteristic electromagnetic" or photonic frequency of the coil in the form of damped waves. Light, and also heat, are therefore indirect effects of Tesla waves, mere secondary emissions from metallic bodies exposed to Tesla radiation. The true "electromagnetic AC component "must therefore be understood as the secondary mechanical result of resolving the superimposition of Tesla waves. From this vantage point, the so-called 'electrostatic' and 'electromagnetic' fields of the Tesla coil cannot be thought of in the traditional manner where the former is the result of the latter, as mediated by ionization, and where the latter alone constitutes the primary emission. There is neither an electrostatic DC field nor an AC electromagnetic field (let alone an ionizing one), and we demonstrate this fact experimentally; both electrostatic and photonic fields are secondary effects resulting from the interaction of metallic matter with resonant 'electric' and 'magnetic' waves, such that the superimposition of these waves is subsequently resolved either to charge that matter or to induce it to emit light and heat.

Finally, basic aetherometric analysis formally demonstrates how the aether wave functions, whether formed capacitatively or inductively, are not limited at all by the photon limit wavespeed c, and thus cannot be thought of, in any way, as subfunctions of an "electromagnetic" wave that propagates transversely to the direction of its forward motion. Here, the critical element of the analysis is the electric frequency term which, in the "vacuum state", can be seen to exceed the blackbody radiation frequency limit , thus indicating that the aether continuum may not be limited, in its upper end, by the blackbody upper limit. This constatation is what originally led us to the discovery of the aether electric spectra, to be presented in companion reports.


AS2-14 Aetherometric treatment of the energy radiation output by Tesla coils, Part 2:
Massfree and massbound nonelectromagnetic functions
and resultant characteristic electromagnetic frequency of the coil
Correa PN, Correa AN
Exp Aetherom, Series 2, Vol. 2A, 14:1-20 (January 2002)

In the previous paper we experimentally demonstrated how the TC does not output either AC electromagnetic radiation, or ion-mediated electric fields. We further showed that the proximal 'electrostatic field effect' of these coils is not a byproduct of any ionizing electromagnetic field, but the result of the interaction of metallic matter with the proximal capacitative and inductive field of the coil. In the previous report, we identified two distinct oscillating field effects: one proximal, and associated with the capacitatively and inductively formed alternate flux of massbound charge in the coil secondary, and the other proximal and distal, and conveyed, both electrically and magnetically, by the flux of massfree charge radiating from the secondary and the space surrounding it, when the coil is not loaded in resonance. The so-called 'electrostatic field' effects then result from the interaction of target bodies with the proximal field effect of synchronous massbound and massfree charge oscillations, just as the more distal field effects, including conversion into photon energy, result from the radiative deployment of massfree charge emitted by the coil. Both field effects have distinct drawing actions upon metallic conductors, with the proximal field drawing conduction and valence negative charges, and the massfree field drawing only conduction charges.

We proposed at that time that these 'electric' and 'magnetic' wave functions are electric and not electromagnetic, and thus not amenable to the notion that TCs are electromagnetic energy transmitters. Instead, their VLF signature is the product of the resolution of the primary superimposition of the capacitoelectric and magnetoinductive wave functions characteristic of the electrokinetic energy of the massbound charges circulating in the secondary. Hence, in the present communication, we complete our demonstration of how the characteristic electromagnetic frequency of the coil, FC, results from the resolution of the electrocapacitative and magnetoinductive wave frequencies, FA and FB, of electronic charges.

We further propose that this process, in turn, is driven by the capture of electric massfree energy by massbound charges, in the form of their kinetic energy, and that it is the shedding of this kinetic energy that directly gives rise to blackbody photon production. """

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by jjohnson » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:11 pm

Lloyd, I was speaking of images I could make of a couple of pages in my copy of Physics of the Plasma Universe where Peratt adapts Marklund's paper and discusses convection and what is going on in the neutralization/cooling process. If I recall correctly Wal may have a description of this, too. I would be glad to e-mail you those pages if you're interested. I know how hard it is to see anything out of Peratt's book these days. It's an excellent text, and one of very few that considers the cosmological and astrophysics aspects of plasma phenomena on very large scales, describing them in succinct equations and showing broadly how particle-in-cell simulation works in an Appendix. Most texts seem to be to acquaint students with the basics of plasma physics with the (almost) express intent of getting them into one of the fusion power programs. The world is wider than that one effort, is it not? I'm glad to see schools starting to devote serious research into dusty plasmas, and plasma crystal phenomena, and applied work in radio astronomy (jets) and solar physics research making inroads and discoveries, despite some of the disconnects we discuss here.

I'll see if I can get some images up tomorrow.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:45 am

Lloyd wrote:* I wonder if anyone heard Ivor this morning.
What a treat.

Watch the vid and change how you view the nature of electricity forever. Game changer.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by hertz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:20 am

upriver, forgive the over-simplification, but are you basically saying that when enough aether gathers and organizes itself into a plasma, which in turn either creates or comes in contact with an existing metallic body, then light and heat are produced?

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Unread post by Marnee » Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:52 pm

How do we get to see the videos?

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Solar » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:23 pm

Marnee wrote:How do we get to see the videos?
Does Faraday Allow Superposition? by Ivor Catt

Here is the PDF File
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden

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Unread post by Marnee » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:09 pm

Great, thank you.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Lloyd » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:56 am

Hertz said: upriver, forgive the over-simplification, but are you basically saying that when enough aether gathers and organizes itself into a plasma, which in turn either creates or comes in contact with an existing metallic body, then light and heat are produced?
* He may be providing some Aetherometric support for his iron sun theory, which is discussed at http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=4592.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by hertz » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:00 am

thank you lloyd, i now have some "light" reading for the summer...i've also found this site quite interesting: http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/index.html
Not sure yet of their differences, but both seem to be heading in the right direction...cheers

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:27 pm

Gravitational Vortexes of Cosmic Plenum
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- Despite the strong conservative policy and costly resistance of the academic world to preserve life and activity of current “standard” theories of physics, a massive number of clues indicate that our universe consists substantially of an undetectable fundamental essence, which is commonly referred to as “ether”. The need for the “ether” was finally and openly admitted even by Einstein; whereas quantum physics lingers still on fuzzy concepts like “zero energy level” or similar ones, with no capacity of re-founding physics from bottom down.
- This paper draws materials also from a book of mine, to try suggestions for quite a different approach to physics. The space of our universe is here addressed as it were a finite physical – though undetectable – fluid continuum, here dubbed “plenum”, which is surrounded (and partly permeated) by an infinite space of “true vacuum”. In the true vacuum no physical event occurs. All material elements and detectable phenomena are effects of kinematical states of the “plenum”. Allowing for such a basic assumption, the principal issue addressed here regards gravity and gravitation. Instead of “mutual attraction between masses”, gravitation is here viewed and described as one particular effect associated with vortexes of plenum. Also the formation of mass and the aggregation of matter components is viewed as states of plenum around nuclei of true vacuum, which “gets into” the physical space through tears and openings caused by motions and/or turbulence of the plenum. The analysis leads to the formulation of tentative gravity and gravitational equations, whose complete solution requires further research.


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Gravitational Vortexes of Cosmic Plenum Dr. Mario Ludovico

Assumptions:
A more effective physics should allow for a physical fluid space (the cosmic space) viewed as the fundamental matrix of any possible physical event. No phenomena should be considered as different from "states" of the basic as well as undetectable fluid substance of which the cosmos consists. In particular, gravitation and gravity may be viewed as special velocity fields and fluid-dynamic behavior of such a fluid space. (2011-01-12 06:50:42)
Definitions:
Plenum: "Plenum" is the term used for identifying the fundamental undetectable substance of which the cosmos presumably consists. Substantial continuity (i.e.,absence of component particles)and fluidity are the basic characteristics of the "plenum". The cosmos, identified with the plenum's essence and behavior, is finite and immersed in an infinite "true vacuum" in which no physical event can either occur or propagate. Dynamics and fluid-dynamics arise as detectable effects of motions and torsions of the plenum around intrusions of absolute vacuum. (2011-01-12 07:03:10)


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2004-2010 Vacuum, Vortices and Gravitation - A Draft Philosophical Essay

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2011 Gravitational Vortexes of Cosmic Plenum
2006 Remarks on the Foundation of Special Relativity
2004 About Hubble's Law and the Big Bang (And the Hypothesis of Core Vortices as Sources and Engines of Galaxies)

Biography
- Mario Ludovico was born in Rome on the 12th of August 1936.
- After the Scientific High School Diploma, he completed a biennium of studies in mathematics and physics at the State University of Bari (Italy), from 1954 to 1956.
- Between 1956 and 1958, eighteen-month military service with the Italian Air Force.
- From 1958 to 1960 he studied at the Faculty of Architecture of the State University of Florence. Subsequently, he joined the University of “La Sapienza” in Rome, where in 1970 he got the Doctorate in Architecture and Regional Planning.
- Because of his never-ceasing interest in physics and in cosmology, he could also get an opportunity – between 1962 and 1965 – to participate in the research activities of the “Centre Européen pour les Reserches sur la Gravitation” (CERG). The Centre was established in Rome by the end of Years Fifties under the High Patronage of the Italian President of the Republic, upon the initiative of a few major Italian and European scientists in a fundamental disagreement with General Relativity. During that period, he published his first papers in the CERG's periodical magazine and international conferences, in which he expounded his hypothesis about gravity and gravitation. These fields of force are viewed as physical states determined by ring-vortices (described like fluid dipoles) of the undetectable continuous fluid substance (dubbed “the plenum”) of which the Universe's physical space may consist.
- For about two academic years, he was Associate Lecturer in Urban/Regional Studies at the Faculty of Architecture of “La Sapienza” University in Rome.
- After 1972, he devoted almost all of his time to his basic activity - carried out across five continents - of architect and/or regional planner. More details on his Curriculum Vitae can be seen in http://www.mario-ludovico.com.
- Besides a number of specialist works, the list of his publications includes also a couple of books concerning a theory on eco-systems and a theory on the evolution of complex systems.
- In 2004 he published an essay on “Vacuum and Gravitation”. The book is now (2010) at its fifth edition with the title “Vacuum, Vortices and Gravitation – A Draft Philosophical Essay“, and is also readable online in the web-site mentioned above.
- See also, Books by Dr. Mario Ludovico [etc.]
http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?t ... ay&id=2025 .

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by upriver » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:57 pm

hertz wrote:upriver, forgive the over-simplification, but are you basically saying that when enough aether gathers and organizes itself into a plasma, which in turn either creates or comes in contact with an existing metallic body, then light and heat are produced?
"The true "electromagnetic AC component "must therefore be understood as the secondary mechanical result of resolving the superimposition of Tesla waves."

"the radiated (distal) field of what is known as 'Tesla waves' is composed solely of the 'electric' and 'magnetic' massfree waves radiated from the coil, and is only able to draw charges from the conduction band of metallic bodies."

"We can only speak of production of photons or the presence of electromagnetic energy when the primary superimposition of the two synchronous wave functions of the massfree energy field is resolved, at the surface of the metallic bodies that it is emitted from or strikes, to yield the "characteristic electromagnetic" or photonic frequency of the coil in the form of damped waves."

"two synchronous wave functions"

You could think of a wave being emitted from a point source as having characteristics like a string that is a wave..
The field(s) are strongest in the center and die off at their given rate.

So now 2 of these Tesla waves line up due to the resonant characteristics of the Tesla coil(or sun).... At the metal surface where they line up they emit light and heat...

Experimental evidence???

"TESLA'S BIG MISTAKE?"

"Sept 1999 William Beaty

While experimenting with a long, thin Secondary coil from Tesla Coil, I suddenly connected up several things in my mind which had been separate up to that moment. After years of messing with Tesla Coils, I finally see what Tesla was up to with single wire transmission, with resonant coils, and with longitudinal waves. See if the following doesn't make sense."
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html

Now one interesting thing about this experiment is that you could have a helical plasma filament connecting 2 stars together but in order to make light and heat you need the metallic sphere on the end of the wire........


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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by hertz » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:37 am

i too suspect that the "ends" of the (plasma) "wires" are always metallic; otherwise we'd never see them with the naked eye...however, i doubt they need necessarily be iron...high conductivty, low density metals such as the alkalis should also work just fine, no?
can anyone point me to a catalog of various metals tested in laboratory z-pinch scenarios?

as far as the power of synchronous waves is concerned...just ask anyone who's ever sailed the southern oceans..."rogue" waves indeed :)

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Lloyd » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Copernican Theory Is Unfounded
[The weird Pawel is back. See http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =30#p51555.]
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Abstract: [I guess the conference won't discuss this, but it's a sample of his thinking.]
- Einstein's theory of relativity is insignificant and childish yet it is by many considered: "the biggest theory in physics". Einstein himself is considered to be substitute of the word "genius".
- He is worshiped by ignorant masses, who refuse to think for themselves and need to be told what is "oh-so-smart". Anybody who is against Einstein is automatically dismissed as "anti-semantic" and "anti-genius". Any opponents are fought with insanity like drive.
- The truth behind the fact why Einstein's theories are thought of highly, is that MEDIA SAYS SO. Media think that physicists think highly of Einstein. In turn, physicists see that in MEDIA. They think that his theories must be true because, media is supposed to get their information from the best experts, who of course must be always Jewish, like Einstein :) Most of them don?t believe in Einstein?s theories anyway.

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Re: NPA Conference - Plasma Cosmology Questions

Unread post by Lloyd » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:47 am

The New Face of Gravity
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Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011
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Slides: Sarkadi-TheNewFaceofGravity.pdf

Guest Speaker: Dezso Sarkadi
Physicist
Nationality: Hungarian
Abstracts: 3

The New Face of Gravity
Hungarian Experiment
http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/events/Sark ... ravity.pdf
- [The normal gravitational] equilibrium state is developed after a certain time of a gravitational transient....
[A] Good example for this process is the Cavendish torsion balance (having very slow movement to [or from] the equilibrium state).
- [A] Remarkable analogue fact [is] that the nucleons within the nuclei are loosely bound (a closed system, equilibrium state) in contrary with the strong nuclear reactions, when the energy of interactive nuclei are not constant.
- In our resonance experiment a continuous energy exchange [was] realized between the interactive masses. In our relatively long-term gravity experiment the measuring system could not reach ... gravitational equilibrium because of the permanent exiting [motion?] of the physical pendulum. The total energy of this gravitational system periodically changes. Likely this is the objective reason [result?] of our newly explored gravitational phenomenon. The exact condition of this dynamic gravity effect is an outer, time-dependent force (from a motor-driven turntable) holding ... the pendulum [far] from the gravitational equilibrium.
- The planets of our Solar System constantly interact with each other, but the origin of these forces is only [what] gravity ... caused by themselves. The gravitational equilibrium has long been established.
- The Sun System is in [a] gravitational equilibrium state: ... Kepler’s laws are fulfilled for all planets, determining their distances from the Sun and orbital periods. In addition, the Titius-Bode rule likely also shows a special unknown type of the equilibrium state of [the] whole gravitational system. If an outer [or additional] force (for example a collision with a big asteroid) would [occur] for any of them, probably [a] significantly stronger effect (dynamic gravity effect) would ... appear in our Solar System. Fortunately, we have no such experience for [such a] cosmic scale dynamic gravity catastrophe, but our experiment could give important information about this [kind of] extraordinary event in a small laboratory.

- Hungary, 20 June 2011.DezsoSarkadi

Abstracts Online:
http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?t ... ay&id=1652
2009 An Interesting Number in Physics
2006 Gravity Between Commensurable Masses
2006 A New Physical Model for Calculation of Atomic Mass

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