Hydrocarbons in the Deep Earth?

[karanbansal342]

Yes, it is true that chances are high to get oil near sediments. but it doesn't mean that oil gas been formed from organic matter from the surface of earth. the correct answer is these sediments are good indicator of past hydrocarbon seep near there because these sediments has been formed from heavy molecular weight hydrocarbon sludge by the past that seeps. this sludge usually do not move frequently and has been settled near the mouth of that past seep after mixing with the organic matter from surface and mud and reburied. over the time gap that hydrocarbon seep has been refilled and has been converted into a oil reservoir. this is the reason chances are high to get oil near sediments if no involvement to produce oil.

[karanbansal342]

HYDROCARBON CYCLE

Please observe what actually has been happened regarding hydrocarbons.

1. Generation of organic hydrocarbons(without involvement of any organic matter from surface of earth) in the very deep origins beneath the crust of earth.

2. Seepage of hydrocarbons

3. heavy molecular weight hydrocarbon sludge (sticky and waxy) that usually do not move has been settled near the mouth of that past seep.

4. organic matter from surface of earth and mud has been mixed in this hydrocarbon sludge and the whole mixture has been reburied .

5. this buried material is a good indicator that there was hydrocarbon seep in past near there and has been refilled over the time gap and has been converted into oil reservoir.Otherwise this organic matter from surface has nothing to produce oil as such we are getting.

[starbiter]

Andreas Otte has written about oil and coal on www.eu-geology.com . He addresses the problems with existing models and offers EU alternatives.

http://www.eu-geology.com/?page_id=317

[sureshbansal342]

If we observe current abiogenic theory there are strong evidences that oil has been formed in the deep origins without any involvement of fossils or organic matter from surface. we should respect this strong evidences. unfortunately they have diverted it toward inorganic origin by ignoring the strong evidence of its organic.so they also can not be correct with avoiding the strong evidence by the biogenic origin of petroleum.
they should have to observe the real cause of its organic origin while it has deep origin also without any involvement of organic matter from the surface of earth. there is no compulsion that if it has deep origin without any involvement of fossils it should be an inorganic only. there was a long debate between the biogenic and abiogenic theory people at DCO and they concluded that both the theories has strong evidences and critiques also. so new theory is required that can be fit in all strong evidences.i have developed a new hypothesis between the both that oil has deep origin as well as organic also but without any involvement of fossils. i have observed bark oil has been forming in the deep origins of log of tree but it is organic also without any involvement of organic matter from the surface of that log of tree. see the below link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7i5CY6XNo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lG3FX9D68

now my point is this sounds us that EARTH ITSELF IS A SINGLE GIANT LIVING ORGANISM and producing organic hydrocarbons in the deep origins without any involvement of organic matter from the surface of earth. this covers all the strong evidences by the both theories.it doesn't mean that i have only this evidence i have many many other visual and intelligent evidences that earth itself is a single giant living organism that has been formed from single carbon ecus asteroid containing amino acid and biological chemistry (seeds of planets) and one planet is a result of one asteroid as one tree is a result of one seed. if you allow me i can explain many many others evidences by putting all together we easily can conclude this.i am very much sure by observing these evidences you also will be convinced .this can give us an important information about the earth formation also that how biology has played a vital role to form planets.

[nick c]

sureshbansal342,
Please do not hijack the discussion in this thread.
This is the 'Electric Universe - Planetary Science' board and is not the appropriate place for discussion of your pet theory. There is a board (NIAMI) for you to post your analogy of the Earth to a tree. I believe that you already have a thread there, I would strongly suggest that you post on that thread, unless you have something new and on topic to offer.
Any further attempts to derail this thread into a discussion of your theory/analogy (Earth is like a tree) will be moved or deleted.

[starbiter]

It's been some time since the words below were posted. I expected the champions of abiotic volcano oil to defend the flag. As Dave Smith likes to say, "crickets".


http://www.eu-geology.com/?page_id=325



There has These considerations do not exclude the biological production of petroleum on Earth. They also do not exclude the option that stored hydrocarbons from the inner earth are gradually released towards the surface. But they attribute a large part of the currently existing hydrocarbons on Earth to an external source. This material came down to the surface together with large amounts of other extraterrestrial matter and sedimented in many parallel layers and in a short time. For dolomite an extraterrestrial deposition on Earth has been already been considered. Petroleum in dolomite may have been deposited easily together, which is also compatible with the more recent notions on the porosity of dolomite. The mixing with organic material present at that time on the surface is also possible without problems. It would explain the biomarkers, as well as the diverse fossils found close to it. In the older Precambrian times, with less available organic material, the organic signature of the oil is correspondingly smaller. This is again observed. Also the large amounts of gas hydrates found under ice in permafrost regions (e.g. Alaska) and in sediment filled basins under water (e.g. Carolina Trough) [USGS] could result from hydrocarbons raining down on earth and being stored in basins with the sediment.

[GaryN]

Just saw this item, seems like there is no shortage of 'oil' out there. I'd agree the oil from an external source might be seeping up, but certainly don't discount that the chemistry for oil to be produced within the Earth does exist, and that abiotic oil also exists. Would the buried, external source oil also produce the large amounts of methane that seep up?

Using IRAM's 30m-telescope, astronomers find indications for vast petroleum reservoirs in the Horsehead Nebula

The researchers were surprised by the unexpectedly high levels of hydrocarbons. "The nebula contains 200 times more hydrocarbons than the total amount of water on Earth!", said astronomer Viviana Guzman.

http://phys.org/news/2012-11-iram-30m-t ... -vast.html

The hundreds of sedimentary layers they go through in the Gulf of Mexico to get to that deep oil would be better explained as originating from above I'd say, but my own feeling is that all the incoming material is from CME events, though depending on the position of the other planets at the time, there may have been material from them too.

[kiwi]

Gary heres the horse's rear end to go with its head

An event occurred at the sinkhole around 11:30 pm today which is being considered as a “burp”. Vegetative debris and hydrocarbons came up from below the sinkhole. A few trees in the southwest corner did fall in however most of the debris came from below the sinkhole. Texas Brine removed all crews from the sinkhole and is checking the boom surrounding the area to make sure everything is in tact.

A video from the sinkhole, post-event is posted at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/assumptionla

[BobDodds]

African oil seems to be totally lacking in Paleozoic snake oil cover. Other instances of basement rock oil can be found, all around the earth, but the whole of Africa is exposed pre-dinosaur rock yet has much oil in pre-Cambrian or close. The month that snake oilers were hunting Gaddafi down in Sirte, Libya, Dr. Talaat Barsoum was in London presenting on Sirte Basin(Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco) 500 million barrels of oil found in cracks in basement rock.

Recent New Discoveries as a Result of Better Understanding the Factors Controlling Hydrocarbon Accumulation in the Sirt Basin, Libya and Future Potential, by Talaat K. Barsoum

http://www.targetexploration.com/MENA11.pdf
Middle East & North Africa
MENA 2011 Oil & Gas Conference
The 9th Middle East and North Africa Oil and Gas Conference

19 & 20 September 2011

With ref to Chromium6.

Caravel Energy begins seismic survey at southern Madagascar oil project

Friday, December 14, 2012 by Angela Kean
Caravel Energy begins seismic survey at southern Madagascar oil project

Caravel Energy (ASX: CRJ), formerly Copper Range, has begun an initial 2D seismic program on its low cost Behaza Oil Project (Block 3114), in the prolific Morondava Oil Basin in southern Madagascar.

The advanced exploration project is located close to multi-million barrel oil fields to the north and has potential for considerable upside.

The Ambatry and Behaza leads are being tested in the current 288 kilometre seismic program, with the Ambatry lead alone estimated to contain between 211.2 million barrels (P90) and 2.48 billion barrels (P10).

Mobilisation of equipment and materials for the program has been successfully completed and an operating base camp has been established on the project.

The seismic program will be used to refine the structural interpretation over the leads in the Block.

Source rocks, reservoirs, traps/seals, source maturation and oil migration are confirmed and seven prospect leads have been identified.

Work is anticipated to take 60 days to complete.

Caravel has acquired a 25% interest in the Behaza Oil Project with the ability to increase to 80%.


East Africa foray

Caravel has entered East Africa at a time where producers are looking to position themselves by consolidating the smaller players in the region.

The company recently changed its name from Copper Range and is now focused on oil and gas exploration in East Africa.

The Behaza Oil Project (Block 3114) is a 10,160 square kilometre onshore block highly prospective for oil and gas.

Block 3113 located immediately to the north of 3114 has been estimated to contain about 2 billion barrels of unrisked oil in place.

Block 3112, also located immediately to the north, reported a gas discovery during drilling in 2011.

The Behaza Project is interpreted to have source rocks, good reservoir development, adequate seals and diverse structural traps.

Caravel’s independent technical experts, MHA Petroleum Consultants, have reported that Behaza has significant potential for the discovery of large light oil and gas accumulations.

The first wells on the project are scheduled to be drilled in 2013, once Caravel has identified and assessed drilling targets.

[sureshbansal342]

Hydrocarbons that are commercially viable and near to the surface of earth are not fossils fuel but fossilized fuel only that has been converted from hydrocarbons in the deep origin of earth (without any involvement of organic matter from the surface of earth) . these heavy hydrocarbons (sticky and waxy and usually do not flows) has been seeped up on the surface of earth in past and has been mixed in organic matter from surface and whole the mixture has been reburied. these organic matter has nothing to produce the oil and just has been mixed in pre generated heavy hydrocarbon. this is the reason chances are high to get oil near so called source rock because these hydrocarbon rocks indicate us that there was a hydrocarbon see near there in past time and has been refilled over the time gap and ready to serve us.
I am giving you example of amber (fossilized tree resin), this is not a fossil resin but has been fossilized tree resin which has been formed the resin of tree. infect resin has been formed in the deep origin of the tree .(just example for easy understanding)
presence of oil near the sediments is not any evidence by the fossil oil theory people but strong evidence of deep origin of oil theory.

[Chromium6]

More Gas-Hydrates discoveries:
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A recent report by Wood Mackenzie suggests Japan could reposition itself in the energy sector if it is able to unlock natural gas from methane hydrates.

Japan’s energy outlook could take a turn for the better if the country is able to unlock and make use of abundant offshore methane hydrates, which are 3D ice structures with natural gas locked inside.

The “Horizons 2013: Key Themes for the Year Ahead” report by Wood Mackenzie called Japan’s push for methane hydrates the 2013 technology wildcard. “If a 2013 marine production test is successful, this resource could supply Japan’s energy needs for decades – radically altering the country’s role in global energy markets – and herald the arrival of a major new global energy source,” according to the report.

Currently, Japan – the world’s 10th most populous country – is heavily reliant on other countries to meet its energy needs. The country is only 16% energy self-sufficient, having domestic oil reserves of about 44 MMbbl and 738 Bcf of proven natural gas reserves as of January 2012, according to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA).

Following the US and China, Japan is the third-largest importer of crude oil, getting most of its resource from Saudi Arabia. But no other country imports more LNG than Japan, which held more than a third of the global LNG market in 2011, EIA data revealed. LNG imports jumped 12% in 2011 to 3.8 Tcf following a March 2011 earthquake and tsunami that caused the shutdown of nuclear power plants across Japan. Following the Fukushima nuclear disaster, the country’s reliance on natural gas and oil increased.

Japan is already working to take advantage of the methane hydrates, estimated to make up half of the world’s known global gas reserves. “Methane is not bonded to the ice chemically; technical challenges center on releasing the gas to flow into the well,” according to the Wood Mackenzie report. “Once flowing, the methane can be transported and processed identically to other forms of natural gas.”

An estimated 40 Tcf of methane hydrates could exist offshore Japan, according to the EIA. The country hopes to start production by 2018, if high production costs and challenges don’t force delays.

Realizing the complexity of methane hydrates and the potential, Japan joined forces with the US Department of Energy (DOE) to conduct a methane hydrate production test. As part of the field trial, with the results released in May 2012, DOE partnered with ConocoPhillips and the Japan Oil, Gas, and Metals National Corp. to test a technique that injected a mixture of CO2 and nitrogen into methane hydrate to release natural gas.

The trial was deemed a success, safely extracting a steady flow of gas from methane hydrates, in Alaska’s North Slope. The DOE continues to study the process and has awarded millions of dollars to universities across the US to conduct research projects. Japan and the US are cooperating to study the fossil fuel.

“Successful development of methane hydrates would dramatically reposition Japan on the world energy stage,” Sondra Scott, head of global markets for Wood Mackenzie, said in the report. “Though abundant, methane hydrates will have to compete through the medium term with conventional and shale production.”

The report pointed out that the shale gas boom has not only depressed gas prices, but also has decreased the incentive to pursue methane hydrate research. Yet, Japan has pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into methane extraction technology since 2001. The country’s next major test is set for early 2013 when it will run the “world’s first methane hydrate marine production test” in the Nankai Trough, south of Honshu.

“However unlikely, achieving this target will dramatically reposition Japan on the world energy stage, potentially turning it from a gas importer to a self-sufficient province,” the report said. “The resulting fall in gas imports would severely disrupt the global LNG market, and question the viability of projects in Australia, Malaysia, and Papua New Guinea."

Other topics covered in the report included:

Infrastructure is the key to North American supply growth. Unconventional oil and gas production may push North America toward energy independence, but pipeline politics will be a key topic in 2013. Decisions on the Keystone XL pipeline that would carry Canadian oil sands to US Gulf Coast refineries and Northern Gateways pipeline that would transport crude to the Pacific coast could come next year;
Focus is on filling the Fukushima supply gap. Debate is expected to continue on how Japan will replace lost nuclear capacity following the Fukushima disaster. Natural gas has been filling the role so far; however, the report noted that has raised LNG imports to capacity levels; and
Natural gas is a possible future transportation fuel. Investment in natural gas as a transportation fuel could ramp up in 2013, especially in North America. Already, Shell has decided to invest in an LNG facility in Canada. The shale-gas-fed facility would produce fuel for trucks. The report also noted that Sasol plans to invest up to US $14 billion for a gas-to-liquids plant in Louisiana, and Petrochina has donated more than 110 LNG-fuelled buses to Beijing with plans to build LNG refueling stations across the city.

“[The year] 2013 is set to be another vibrant, complex, and challenging year for the energy and metals industry,” Stephen Halliday, CEO of Wood Mackenzie, said in the report. “The need for resource rich countries to maximize revenue to balance budgets is opening up access to new provinces. Oil and gas companies continue to invest in new supply despite the threat of further downward price movements. An energy-independent North America could be the result, if infrastructure hurdles can be overcome.”

Contact the author, Velda Addison, vaddison@hartenergy.com.

http://www.epmag.com/Technology/Methane ... ated-items

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BP discovers 1 trillion cubic feet of gas offshore Trinidad
Published on November 21, 2012 Email To Friend Print Version

PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad -- BP Trinidad & Tobago (bpTT) announced it has discovered an estimated 1 trillion cubic feet (tcf) of gas offshore Trinidad, doubling the estimated gas in place of the Savonette gas field, to 2 tcf.

http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headlin ... 13459.html

Libya Holds 54.7 Trillion Cubic Feet Gas Reserves, Berruien Says

By Brigitte Scheffer - Sep 24, 2012 3:14 AM CT

Libya holds 54.7 trillion cubic feet of natural-gas reserves, Nuri Berruien, chairman of state- run National Oil Corp., said today at a conference in the capital, Tripoli.

To contact the reporter on this story: Brigitte Scheffer in Dubai at bscheffer@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Stephen Voss at sev@bloomberg.net

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-2 ... -says.html

There Are 500 Trillion Cubic Feet Of Gas Under Those Disputed Islands In The South China Sea

Adam Taylor | Nov. 9, 2012, 12:39 PM | 3,227 | 9
Scarborough Shoal

While China's leadership transition captured the world's attention, it was away from that spotlight that the Chinese state revealed a crucial bit of information that says a lot about what motivates its foreign policy.

Wang Yilin, head of Cnooc, China’s state-controlled energy group said today that the South China Sea region could have as much as 17 billion tonnes of oil and 498 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Leslie Hook of the Financial Times reports that the oil and gas that could be extracted would double China's reserves, and may prove enough natural gas to fulfill China's needs for more than a century.

This might explain why China has taken sovereignty in the region so seriously. China is locked in a territorial dispute with Vietnam and the Philippines over control of areas of the sea, harassing survey ships working for PetroVietnam in Vietnamese-claimed waters and blocking efforts by the Philippine Navy to combat illegal fishing by Chinese ships in Philippine-claimed waters.

These actions also brought a war of words with the US, an ally of the Philippines.

Energy concerns may also go some way to explaining the spat with Japan over control of islands in the East China Sea.

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-re ... ea-2012-11


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Petronas Discovers over 4 Tcf of New Gas Reserves Offshore Sarawak
by Quintella Koh
Rigzone Staff
Tuesday, November 27, 2012

http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/1 ... re_Sarawak

[karanbansal342]

According to me both current organic and inorganic theories of origin of petroleum have strong evidences and opposite of each other, so both are incorrect and new theory is required that can be fit in the strong evidences of both. I have developed a new hypothesis between the both that " There is a regular generation of organic hydrocarbons in the deep origins of earth and fossil fuel is not an option. "

[Chromium6]

Some notes on oil formation in South Eastern Illinois:

Geology & History of Crawford County
RESERVOIR CHARACTERISTICS: MAIN CONSOLIDATED FIELD

It is generally accepted that an excess of 250 million barrels of crude oil have been produced from the Main Consolidated Field (MC Field), making it one of the largest oil fields in the Illinois Basin. Essentially all of the associated natural gas has been flared or used for lease operations. The source of the oil in Crawford County is not totally understood. It is thought to be from organic-rock shales and limestones which are inter-bedded with the reservoir rocks. The four factors are Source, Reservoir, Seal and Trap, which control the accumulation of reserves in the MC Field. The Reservoirs, such as the Robinson sands, and the McClosky oolites, have good porosities (storage capacity of rock), and permeabilities (ability for fluids to move through the rock). This allows for the storage and production of significant volumes of oil from these zones. The Seals are tite (low permeability) beds which overlie these reservoirs. All of the production in the MC Field has been from less than 4,000’ with the most important reservoirs being the Robinson sands. The MC Field is a structural Trap with reservoirs, such as the Robinson and McClosky zones folded into elongated, dome-shaped closures, along the regional LaSalle Anticlinal Belt. These folds are the effective trapping mechanism, and are steeper on their west flanks.

Most geologic knowledge of the MC Field is based on subsurface information because the seal, source and reservoir rocks are not exposed at the surface near the field area. Driller’s descriptions from early wells, electric logs from recent wells, core description and analyses from specific intervals along with detailed production and well test data, are the types of information used to characterize these reservoirs.

The environment of deposition, reservoir geology and engineering parameters (i.e. porosity, permeability, etc.), of these reservoirs are extremely diverse. More importantly, these reservoirs are quite varied horizontally, in that each individual producing horizon exhibits significant areal changes in porosity, permeability, as well as rock type between well locations (heterogeneity). This reservoir heterogeneity is both a hindrance, and an asset. If the reservoirs were homogeneous (all the same), one could expect much more efficient drainage of the reserves from fewer wells. However, due to their heterogeneity, the process of fully developing their reserves is much more complicated, and explains why the field is not fully depleted after nearly 90 years of production history. This heterogeneity explains why initial and step-out-drilling, along with workover activity continues to develop new reserves today. Detailed studies of individual reservoirs require an understanding of their original environments or deposition. For example, the Pennsylvanian-age Robinson sands were deposited some 100 million years ago by streams which were flowing towards the west-southwest and were draining stable highlands to the north and east. These sands were deposited as point bars, overbank deposits and channel sands. Knowledge of the type and orientation of these sand bodies aids in predicting their areal extent and in planning drilling, workover and recompletion operations.

http://www.maverickenergy.com/operation ... ounty.aspx

[sureshbansal342]

WHY CURRENT FOSSIL OIL THEORY IS NOT CORRECT;
please try to understand my logic.

we required tons of evidences to prove any theory but one strong point is sufficient to disprove it.
let us split the current theories in to two part.
FOSSIL OIL THEORY A
NON FOSSIL OIL THEORY B
ORGANIC ORIGIN C
INORGANIC ORIGIN D


Let us take first two part A and B. bu observing both B is much much stronger than A. this is not any sense that HC at earth has been formed with another method than the rest of other cosmic bodies. yes, there are some manipulation according to the requirement.
there are tons of evidence in non fossil fuel theory ( pls Google it). these strong points in favour of B is a strong evidence against A ,because both are opposite of each other.very honestly if I am a judge i will give 80 mark to B and 20 marks to A.

Let us take C and D.
We have very strong chemical evidence that oil is organic in very much origin,even deepest well. if i would be a judge i will give 98 marks to C and 2 marks to D.
By putting both together
118 marks to fossil oil and organic theory and 82 marks to non fossil oil and inorganic origin.
if we calculate the weight age fossil oil theory and organic theory has higher marks and that is why it is believed much than the non fossil oil and inorganic theory.
WHY MY THEORY THAT IT IS BOTH NON FOSSIL AND ORGANIC ALSO.

If you calculate it fetch the marks of 80+98 = 188 much much higher and respect for the strong evidence by the both.
now the point is if it has both non fossil (deep origin) and organic also we should observe why it is happening and how it is happening. I know it but i want you yours self observe it why it is possible and happening.

[Chromium6]

These research articles have a few interesting details on dolomite formation and how plate tectonics form traps:


Middle East Well Evaluation Review

http://www.slb.com/~/media/Files/resour ... er15_1.pdf

Basin to Basin: Plate Tectonics in Exploration
Basin to Basin
Publication: Oilfield Review
Volume: 24
Issue: 3
Publication Date: 12/06/2012

Exploration companies have recently made several large discoveries in rifted and transform margin systems. The plays they proved on one continent have been applied across the Atlantic Ocean—from South America to Africa—and back. This article explains how geoscientists are using plate tectonics to uncover plays in rifted and transform margin systems.

http://www.slb.com/~/media/Files/resour ... _basin.pdf