Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[promethean]

Every day lately I find myself gazing at Boulder's Flatirons ...are these uplifted slabs or
the result of electric wind deposition ? Or both ?
Regarding Boulder Canyon ...well I'll try to get some pictures .

[starbiter]

Hi Promethean,

I haven't been through the canyon W of Boulder in years. The canyon W of Denver on I 70 has a great road cut showing the trending towards the E, implying wind from the E.

I hope You can now view the Google links i sent earlier.

michael

[CuriousCat]

When I was driving along 470 on the west side of town last week, I spared a look or two at the formations. They look "pushed." Kind of like some put a Wonderbra on the area.

Cat

[starbiter]

When I was driving along 470 on the west side of town last week, I spared a look or two at the formations. They look "pushed." Kind of like some put a Wonderbra on the area.

Cat

Hello Curious,

The "Wonderbra effect would not be bothered by a tiny stream, would it? If the sediments were tilted up 60 or 70 degrees it seems a small stream bed would come right along with the neighboring sediments, not be left behind. This would create a lake that would seek the path of least resistance. The linked map below shows a canyon. The drainage is so small it's not noted.

http://goo.gl/maps/S6qqw

http://goo.gl/maps/aKea8

My model would have a small stream in the canyon washing away incoming airborne dust as the hogback grew around it. This would be consistent with Worlds in Collision. Are You familiar with this work, and the consequences? I see "folded" formations like this everywhere. Sometimes the trending changes within a small distance. Sometimes the same formation has variable trending.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... dCd1E/edit

I'm told by geologists that all sedimentary mountains are folded. I don't believe any of them are folded, or created by the Wonderbra model.

michael

[starbiter]

There will be an EU geology tour this coming August.

http://www.eu-geology.com/?p=1931#more-1931

michael

[starbiter]

The link below shows rilles on Mars.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-200

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/figure ... 0_fig1.jpg

The upper image shows the rilles going up and over obstacles. The shadows show elevation.

On Earth the process seems to follow the lowest point.

http://goo.gl/maps/UAPFw

The rilles on Mars appear to be electrically excavated. The rilles in Arizona seem to be the result of hydrology. The current requirement to produce the martian rilles, which appear to be well over a mile long, would be large. It's possible a glow discharge might strong enough to do the trick, but arc discharge seems more likely. The Worlds in Collision scenario would have the last martian event at the end of the Earth/Mars events, or as Mars passed by the Moon.

The NASA press release claims the rilles are seasonal. I doubt that very much. I can't see dry ice going over hills. Please zoom in to the Mars images.

michael

[starbiter]

The bottom image linked below is similar to gouge welding. Please zoom in.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/figure ... 0_fig1.jpg



http://www.twi.co.uk/technical-knowledg ... uging-012/

If you look at the image under electrode above, the grooves at the bottom of the channel are similar to the rilles.

michael

[PersianPaladin]

I am in agreement with you. These rilles, their scale and width as well as their cross-sectional morphology suggests some form of electrical discharge impinging on the surface. I can't see any such parallell's in rille-features produced by running liquid on loose conglomerate or non-electrical kinetic forces.

[dahlenaz]

Caution is advised in drawing parallels to carbon-arc gouging,,, it depends on the high pressure
air supplied in the setup to blast molten material away.

A much more elegent and probable cause for parallel grooves is demonstrated with the
ridge-line discharge setup using a dust covered CRT. Each discharge taken through
a conductor laid on the surface pulls charge from the surrounding area and at right
angles to the conductor.. This has similarity to coronal patterns but these are revealed in
two dimensional form via the dusty surface.
The crater rim may serve as the high point in the discharge circuit, and the
surrounding area provides the full potential of the event..


http://para-az.com/ess-crt11/plus/dune-12529s-70.jpg

The primary detail which does not appear at Russel Crater is omni-directional grooves,
i've only seen them down the crater wall.. This detail challenges the electrical scenario.

As can be seen at Hebes Cut,,, a central ridge seems to provide the discharge focal point and
parallel grooves down the ridge seem to trace out the discharge paths,, which seem to extend
across the canyon floor to the surrounding walls to cut out alcoves.. d...z

http://para-az.com/ess-crt11/hebes-grooves.html

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[starbiter]

Dahlenaz said,

"Caution is advised in drawing parallels to carbon-arc gouging,,, it depends on the high pressure
air supplied in the setup to blast molten material away."

me again,

If there was enough electrical energy to remove mile plus long gouges, one might expect a fair amount of high pressure air/wind to be associated with the process. Whether glow or arc, an electrical explanation seems better than dry ice as the agent. It would be interesting to know the opinions of Wal and Dr Scott. Who knows, maybe they would vote for dry ice. I would hope that's not the case, but i would defer to them.

michael

[dahlenaz]

Here is an image of tip-radials, for the sake of those people that are
interested in experiments rather than opinions. d...z



http://para-az.com/eltricu-lbgrp/brs-rd ... 13098c.jpg



There are many more images from these experiments which show a type of
electrical discharge that is almost certainly worthy of consideration,
but that is my opinion.

Due to lack of space further experiments have been postponed. d...z

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[seasmith]

~
dahlenaz,

Great work, and much appreciated.

s

[starbiter]

Dahlenaz said,

"Here is an image of tip-radials, for the sake of those people that are
interested in experiments rather than opinions. d...z"

Wal Thornhill writes,

"Comets follow their eccentric orbits within a weak electrical field centered on the Sun. They develop a charge imbalance with the higher voltage and charge density near the Sun that initiates discharge and the formation of a glowing plasma sheath—appearing as the coma and tail.
The observed jets of comets are electric arc discharges to the nucleus, producing “electrical discharge machining” (EDM) of the surface. The excavated material is accelerated into space along the jets’ observed filamentary arcs.
Intermittent and wandering arcs erode the surface and burn it black, leaving the distinctive scarring patterns of electric discharge. The primary distinction between a comet and an asteroid is that, due to its elliptical orbit, electrical arcing and “electrostatic cleaning” will clean the nucleus’ surface, leaving little or no dust or debris on it."

Me again,

It seems to be Wal's opinion that comets are sculpted by arcs. If a planet like Mars or Earth interacted with a comet that was charged differently there might be arcs on the surface of the planets. If Earth and Mars interacted something similar might transpire.

I see metamorphic rock on the surface of Earth that seems to have been electrified in-situ. This electrification might be from a glow discharge, but an arc seems more likely. Many times before i make a post i run my ideas past friends familiar with EU concepts. I ask if an arc or glow discharge would be more likely. Arc is usually the winner. None of the people i speak with have done CRT experiments. In spite of my friends short comings i will continue to seek out their opinions and share them. I'm not certain a dusty CRT is perfectly analogous to the surface of Mars, but of course it might supply clues. Maybe the surface of Mars is the product of a dusty CRT process, exactly. Maybe it was all glow discharge. Sorry to disagree with your certainty Dahlenaz. Every post i've made has been open to glow discharge as an option. My invocation of arc discharge as an option, based on basic EU concepts, seems to bother You.

opinionated michael steinbacher

[dahlenaz]

My invocation of arc discharge as an option, based on basic EU concepts, seems to bother You.

opinionated michael steinbacher

I was only concerned about drawing parallels with a process
that depends of high pressure air to blast material away.
I was not aware that HV-Air played a role in the basic EU concept.

The CRT experiments which produced the features above
involved intense electrical arcs drawn from an object emersed
in the CRT's surface field. Material was instantly removed to
form the features..
These features are similar to some martian features but not those
on the dunes in Matara Crater,, (the side-bar story). d...z

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[dahlenaz]

These CRT features are similar to some martian features but not those
on the dunes in Matara Crater,, (the side-bar story). d...z

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The Dry ice explanation is very convincing and elegant,,, science in action... d...z

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